crazed_ss
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Funny and 2nd Amendmant Supporters are often not supports of the 1st Amendmant.
Schools Ban Patriotic Clothes, Flags
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Funny and 2nd Amendmant Supporters are often not supports of the 1st Amendmant.
TexasRifleman
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Nothing. California didn't start that. Those go way way back.
And, in Texas at least, where that was tried it was quickly overturned except for Austin, which is more like San Fran anyway.
That's just a nutty suggestion. There should be no law against display of a nations flag, but there are rules that already exist for the PROPER display of other nations flags as well as the US flag. Those rules should be followed.KriegHund
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I hope this thread is not locked. As far as i can tell its got plenty to do with civil liberties.
That made my jaw drop.
Looks like the reconquistas have won. We now cannot show our national flag because some idiot finds it offensive. Well guess what? If ind it offensive that i cant be patriotic. Oh, wait, that doesnt matter because im a white male. My issues come in 3rd next to minorities and women. I thought this country was a place were we are all CREATED EQUAL.
i dont think smoking bans are a valid point- smoke is an extreme physical irritant to some and second hand smoke causes cancer.
However i do thinks its foolishness to FORCE businesse's to ban smoking.
That made my jaw drop.
Looks like the reconquistas have won. We now cannot show our national flag because some idiot finds it offensive. Well guess what? If ind it offensive that i cant be patriotic. Oh, wait, that doesnt matter because im a white male. My issues come in 3rd next to minorities and women. I thought this country was a place were we are all CREATED EQUAL.
i dont think smoking bans are a valid point- smoke is an extreme physical irritant to some and second hand smoke causes cancer.
However i do thinks its foolishness to FORCE businesse's to ban smoking.
TexasRifleman
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Dunno. The Feds started it on airplanes back in the 70's. When did it start in California?
Oh, Wikipedia has this, for what it's worth
crazed_ss
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What does white male have to do with anything?
And you guys get mad when people like McKinney pull the race card.
And you guys get mad when people like McKinney pull the race card.
Desertdog
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My USA flag will be flying when the weather gets better. May 1st, it will be flying, no matter what!
What they forbid at school, we CAN do at home. I also have a flag on our cars. Wifey would have a fit if I got a Rebal Flag and put it on the car.
What they forbid at school, we CAN do at home. I also have a flag on our cars. Wifey would have a fit if I got a Rebal Flag and put it on the car.
Problem with the Rebel Flag is that it's been used too much by the Klan. It will certainly not do anything to remind people "on the fence" of their love for America.
Yes, I understand that it has entirely different meanings to most people who display it, but you're trying to make a statement here, so you want your message to be clear and difficult to hijack. The LAST thing you want is to give more ammunition to those who claim that people who favor border enforcement and reform of legal immigration laws and processes are just a bunch of racists.
An American flag will do quite nicely.
Yes, I understand that it has entirely different meanings to most people who display it, but you're trying to make a statement here, so you want your message to be clear and difficult to hijack. The LAST thing you want is to give more ammunition to those who claim that people who favor border enforcement and reform of legal immigration laws and processes are just a bunch of racists.
An American flag will do quite nicely.
longhorngunman
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I actually feel sorry for most Californians. It would be a conservative state if it wasn't for the cesspool sewers that are LA and San Francisco. Kinda like the crap that Northern New Yorkers have to put up with because of NY city.
engineer151515
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That's the problem as I see it. I didn't buy my kids designer clothes for school (pre-uniform) but I heard many parents say their kids would fight over clothes worn to school. Who's in charge? If the parents did their job, there would be no arguement. (I guess you can tell that I had this debate with a teacher once or twice). When reasons for school uniforms included "security", then I suggested the teachers should also wear uniforms that identified them with the particular school. THAT made me REAL popular.
I think private schools can do what they want. My complaint is related only to public schools. (Secret confession, I which I HAD sent my kids to private school. I think they would have received a better education. I just couldn't afford the money at the time).
The "uniform" arguement never held water with me with respect to school security, it will cost less (not true - you end up buying two sets of clothes) or political correctness "everybody is equal" (designer labels show up on uniforms too defeating that purpose. Money has a way of "showing off") The only basis I could not argue with was the abuse of the school's dress code. Kids were wearing such revealing clothing that a basic dress code and common sense was no longer enough for enforcement. Again, it was the parents that allowed this behavior. The school went to uniforms. But I thought it was unfair to the (majority of) kids and still believe that.
My apologies for thread drift.
BTW - note the power of the school district. Banning the American Flag. ???
It can be a real challange when you are on the receiving end of an abuse of that power.
TexasSIGman-
Yes, but when looking at political trends currently sweeping the nation/world, it really was when San Luis Obispo, CA became the first city in the world to ban smoking in all public buildings including bars and restaurants that was the real first domino in the smoking ban saga.
Prize me, sir!
Yes, but when looking at political trends currently sweeping the nation/world, it really was when San Luis Obispo, CA became the first city in the world to ban smoking in all public buildings including bars and restaurants that was the real first domino in the smoking ban saga.
Prize me, sir!
KriegHund
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A few hispanics are insulted when an american flag is used against them, so all flags are banned.
I'm willing to doubt that if a mexican flag was used to insult a white man, then there would be no problems whatsoever with hispanics 'asserting their nationaility'
The point was that minorities issues are given top priority, no matter if it is an issue or not.
And while there are certainly very, very few minorities that use their minority status in this way (or any such way), it is what it is.
Pulling a race card is using ones race to defend a wrongdoing...i dont see that here.
crazed_ss
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That is not the case here. Tensions were running high with all the demonstrations and such.. Think of it like this.. Flags were causing issues like those caused when rival gangs wear different gang colors around each other. The schools responsibility is to provide a safe enviroment for students. If kids are gonna fight each other over Mexican and American flags, then wouldnt a prudent measure be to get rid of flags until things calm down?
And the issue I have with your "white male" comment is you're making this out to be an Hispanics vs Americans issue and acting like being "White Male" is the representative of this being American. Im American.. Im not a white male. I'm a former Marine and I'm highly offended by these kids tearing down that store owner's flag. If this is a Hispanics vs Whites issue, then where does that leave the rest of Americans? Where does that leave me?
Taking the flags away is not going to solve the problem any more than taking guns away is going to solve the problem.
The problem is some students are acting badly. They should be arrested and hauled into court for acting like the punks they are.
This blaming the flag garbage is bull-snot to the nth degree. Gee, what if the issue was over students beating other students with their books? Gonna ban them too?
The biggest problem is not really the students-its the people in charge who are either too lazy or stupid to take charge. Period.
The problem is some students are acting badly. They should be arrested and hauled into court for acting like the punks they are.
This blaming the flag garbage is bull-snot to the nth degree. Gee, what if the issue was over students beating other students with their books? Gonna ban them too?
The biggest problem is not really the students-its the people in charge who are either too lazy or stupid to take charge. Period.
KriegHund
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No. It would be a prudent measure to severly punish those who mis-use the flag.
Read the rest of my post-
This isnt a Hpsanics vs americans issue, or at least thats not what i was getting at. What i was getting at was that "Some are more equal than others."
Americans are every freedom loving man and woman in America. Thats why things like 'african-american' and 'mexican-american' bug me and i dont use em anymore. Your either american or your not.
crazed_ss
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I dont see how anyone is more equal than anyone else in this situation.
Just seems like a safety issue to me. Schools often limit what kids can wear at school. My school didnt allow us to wear hats or sports jerseys because of problems with gangs. I see the same thing going on here with the flag issue. The school is simply getting rid of something that might disrupt the learning enviroment. It's sad that it's come to banning flags though.. I dunno.
Just seems like a safety issue to me. Schools often limit what kids can wear at school. My school didnt allow us to wear hats or sports jerseys because of problems with gangs. I see the same thing going on here with the flag issue. The school is simply getting rid of something that might disrupt the learning enviroment. It's sad that it's come to banning flags though.. I dunno.
bigun15
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So let me get this straight
-You liked it when you were a kid, so all of us should do it now
-All of us are snotty nosed brats
-You want to tell us what to do when you won't even have to go through with it
Sounds great.
Allow me to let you in on a little hint: We want to choose what we want to wear, the same way you choose what you wear every day.
KriegHund
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Funny how that came from someone who just said this...
But to focus on the point-
Me saying "Some are more equal than others" was based on my theory (though it is often proven every day) that if a person of a certain minority insulted a person not of a minority, it would not be considered nearly as much as an issue as if a person not of a minority insulted a person of a minority.
Akin to it being OK to call someone "Cracker", but it not being OK to use some racially charged word directed at and being deragatory of someone with a skin color other than of a lightish sort.
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Im not saying its OK to be rascist, rather i am pointing out thats its more acceptable for some people to be rascist than others. We should all be held to the same equal standards of good conduct. In society as a whole, we are not held to the same standards.
garyk/nm
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As long as they don't ban the flying of the American flag on the school flagpole, it's just a matter of safety. If they ban the flagpole thing, then it's time to take action. Who really cares what kids wear to school?
KriegHund
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Does not the education of liberty, for or against, start at an early age?
If we were to force all students from pre-school up to wear uniforms, would they not be brought up thinking that such restrictions are natural?
Who cares? Well you sure the hell should! Do you want every youth in America growing up thinking its just fine and dandy for the governement to regulate what they do, how they dress, and how they act?
If you so value your liberties, then you will promote them, everywhere, anywhere. For to restrict them anywhere on anyone is to restrict them everywhere on everyone.
If we were to force all students from pre-school up to wear uniforms, would they not be brought up thinking that such restrictions are natural?
Who cares? Well you sure the hell should! Do you want every youth in America growing up thinking its just fine and dandy for the governement to regulate what they do, how they dress, and how they act?
If you so value your liberties, then you will promote them, everywhere, anywhere. For to restrict them anywhere on anyone is to restrict them everywhere on everyone.
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The first citywide indoor smoking ban was passed by the San Luis Obispo, California city council around 1990. Sheesh. Give it a break. This thread is not about California. It's about a clothing ban coming from a school district that happens to be in California. I'd wager most school districts/boards across the country are as out of control and wacked out as any you'll find here. Let's lay off the ad hominem California bashing and deal with the pc/control freak mentality which infests this country at large, ok?
DRZinn
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I live very close to Oceanside. I'll be dropping by a school tomorrow.
With a flag.
With a flag.
DRZinn
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Probably one on a T-shirt, in case of - er - difficulties.
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