Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards marching with G3s... and crooked barrels!

The U.S. cannot and will not be victorious in Iraq, much less in any proposed campaign in Iran until the bed wetters in this country have been subdued. We are now reaping what was sown 40 years ago with the feminist movement. Our society is now a byproduct of the feminized <> version of the modern "male".

How about rolling in the B-52s and flattening Fallujah? Oh no, can't do that because some <> journalist from CNN or Reuters will be there with a camera zooming in on the first dead civilian to be exploited on the 5 pm news to show what a "bad" country the USA is.

Our military is the best, most professional, and deadliest force on the planet. Until the knock-kneed cowards in Washington have the complete backing of the <> American public to release the full fury of our military we will have a difficult time as a country accomplishing our objective. Sadly as a whole, we have become a soft and degenerate lot compared to generations ago.

Unfortunately this means a complete cultural overhaul of our country is in order. How to accomplish that and reverse years of social decay and rot is something that is above my pay grade.

My rant is not intended to hold myself up as the perfect patriot or a pillar of virtuosity. I'm as flawed as most any other average citizen. I'm just an American that wants to survive and prosper and see this country continue to thrive.

Juggernaut, can you name any other friendly, non-muslim military powers in the worlds most oil-rich region who provide us with intelligence about the area?

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You mean bogus intelligence about them WMD in Iraq? No, can't really think of any there. But I know Jordan has helped us as well as the UAE and Bahrain. They may not sell our technology to China like Israel does, but I can't see your point about intelligence when what we do get is bad or false intelligence from the Mossad and we get real Israeli hero's like Jon Pollard the traitor.

As far as my comments about Israel and not caring one way or the other I think they have brought their troubles on themselves. All one has to do is look at policy speechs by the first to current Israeli leaders to see how they feel about their borders and wanting to expand them into neighboring nations, lack of concern for Palestinian civilians which produces misery which produces suicide bombers, to the Mossads activities in neighboring nations. I am in no way for the murder of Israeli civilians, I am simply sick of their actions being given a free pass because they are Jews and they accounted for half of the 11 million people killed in Hitlers death camps (we don't mention the other half ever because they are worthless ?) so they can run over American hippies with bulldozers and it's a-ok! Yay for dead Americans. I'm no fan of hippies but I don't think they should be run over and then brushed under the demolished houses that are just rubbling around.

As for Iran like I said before, don't misunderestimate them. Sure US forces may run right over them but we may not at the same time. It is stupid to talk about how bad-ass we are when we should make careful methodical calculations about various factors of war and making a plan b, c, and d so if plan a fails we aren't "Iraqed" again.

But we shouldn't even be attacking Iran in the first place. The only thing Bush has succeeded in is giving bin Laden a headache from all the applicants he has to interview. Iran will only increase the situation. And the Shiites in Iraq aren't likely to just watch either.

I cant really see that they are crooked. I think the G3 is probably a better rifle than any of the small arms being issued to any of the forces in Iraq at the moment though.

How about rolling in the B-52s and flattening Fallujah? Oh no, can't do that because some pissant fag journalist from CNN or Reuters will be there with a camera zooming in on the first dead civilian to be exploited on the 5 pm news to show what a "bad" country the USA is.

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Please tell me what good that would do America? What infrastructure would we destroy? The harm would outdo the good by a thousand fold.

Bombing the place into the stone age would do the same as it did in Dresden or Japan, or have you forgotten that bit of history? In WW2 we didn't seem to worry to much if we would make our enemies madder by killing them, we just killed them and worried about it later. As I recall that was the last major war this country decisively won. Taking away the alleys and streets from the IED bombers, and murderers seems to me to be strategically sound.

It seems too many folks want to hand out flowers, candy, and cash to our enemy before defeating them both militarily and psychologically. Sorry it won't work.

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Bombing the place into the stone age would do the same as it did in Dresden or Japan, or have you forgotten that bit of history? In WW2 we didn't seem to worry to much if we would make our enemies madder by killing them, we just killed them and worried about it later.

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Have you forgotten that we still had to put troops on the ground despite that bombing? Did you forget that those victories cost us nearly a quarter million men, not counting our allies. Have you forgotten that we *still* have a military presence in both Germany and Japan 60 years after the fact?

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Bombing the place into the stone age would do the same as it did in Dresden or Japan, or have you forgotten that bit of history? In WW2 we didn't seem to worry to much if we would make our enemies madder by killing them, we just killed them and worried about it later. As I recall that was the last major war this country decisively won. Taking away the alleys and streets from the IED bombers, and murderers seems to me to be strategically sound.

It seems too many folks want to hand out flowers, candy, and cash to our enemy before defeating them both militarily and psychologically. Sorry it won't work.

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Art and his cleanup crew...

On the topic of Dresden, that was just a sick killing of 10,000 people. There were zero military personnel and zero military industry's in Dresden. The Nazi's needed to be taken out, not civilians. But you are all seig heil aren't you!? Kill the babys and women! I think bin Laden may have a position avalible for you.

Nope, I have not forgotten that fact at all. Of course troops on the ground are always necessary to secure final victory.

However, it would appear that at this stage of the game in terms of overall length of time of the conflict, we were much further along in achieving victory in WW2 than we are now in Iraq. Would you not agree?

This in my opinion is due in no uncertain terms to the constraints put upon our military by the communist America haters that make up much of the media. Ultimately the fault lies at the feet of our so-called leaders that would rather send 1000 Marines in to get shot in the face than look the communist reporters in the eye and explain why it's better that Habib's son got killed in a air raid than Mrs. Smith's son got smoked by an IED.

Would everyone please mind their language? Juggernaut, knock off the language and personal attacks. Take the High Road and don't sink to his level.

trbon8r, would you please tone down the gay bashing? Actually, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you took it somewhere else. I don't care if you think America is not masculine enough for you, but this is a forum with an expected level of decorum. See that "The High Road" in your address bar and at the top of the page?

I'd rather this thread not get locked down because we can't police our own ranks.

RevDisk,

Roger that. I was just firing back after the anti-semite stuff.

trbon8r,

You ever serve in the military? Or do you just like to advocate others dying for your desires to see city's flattened?

RevDisk,

Roger that. I was just firing back after the anti-semite stuff.

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Understood.

But remember Sun Tzu's words about the best generals win the battle without fighting. Let trbon8r dig his own grave, metaphorically speaking, and keep to the High Road. He's already displayed his nature, and I have a feeling the situation will correct itself.

No, never served in the miltary. At 34 years old when I was 19 the first gulf war was over in the blink of an eye.

However I'd gladly go and serve today if the military ever gets desperate enough to draft middle aged guys with bad feet and a bum back.

<childish wisecrack removed by Art> For your service my hat is off to you. I still think on this subject you are as wrong as you could possibly be.

Ah yes, it's only a matter of time before a troll comes around to bring the USS Liberty into any discussion of the middle east. I think we know where he came from, and I think we shouldn't be feeding him.

Sheesh! I take off from THR to enjoy an S.M.Stirling book. I go to bed. I get up, pour a cuppa coffee and check my email.

And I find this (BLEEP)? Thanks a lot, guys. Great way to start a day.

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