Treason at the New York Times

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If the NYT has done something illegal, why aren't they being brought up on charges by the FedGov?

Or perhaps they're just doing something the current administration doesn't like.
The Socialist Mainstream Media have "one large collective mind". Check the stories on CBS, NBC, ABC, the NYTimes, the LATimes. They walk in lockstep, and they have a politial agenda, which is at odds with the majority of people in the US.
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You mean the majority of the US that doesn't approve of Bush and how the administration is running our (neverending) War on Terror?

Oh wait, I'm sure all those polls are just part of the "Vast Left Wing Conspiracy!" :rolleyes:
 
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Or perhaps they're just doing something the current administration doesn't like.
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Are you waiting for American soldiers/civilians to die for this treason and sedition by the liberal newspapers or will the act of treason and sedition by the liberal newspapers be enough for you to acknowledge it? You waiting for the body count before your acknowledgement?
 
You mean the majority of the US that doesn't approve of Bush and how the administration is running our (neverending) War on Terror?
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The agenda of the NYT and its twisted sisters goes far, far beyond condemning the War on Terror or the Iraq theater. They want the U.S. military neutered and for us to fall on our faces in the Middle East. They are part of the Y'All Stay on the Plantation Except for Us Elite Folks movement.

No editor prints all the information he's privy to. That's a given in the trade. (And, by the way, in one of my many lives, I was an editor and journalist myself.)
 
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First, nobody said it was single-sourced, and I very seriously doubt it is

Then name either a) the initial source, or b) the second corroborating source. I'll settle for one or the other. The NYT and the LAT named neither nor will they.

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Also, if "classified" information is leaking like a sieve around Washington constantly...

Justifying bad behavior by citing other like bad behavior is juvenile, but still wrong.

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when does this "war" you reference ever end, to justify all the secrecy you defend...

When civilians in skyscrapers can feel safe. When civilians in airliners can feel safe. You forget about the 3,000 who died or need a reminder?

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...the state must have MORE power...

Nice "red herring" you threw! This discussion is not about more or less power by the Federal Government; it is about military secrets being divulged by liberal media...stay on topic...

Here is topic=>

Bush condemns disclosure of secret anti-terror program
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/....ap/index.html
Monday, June 26, 2006; Posted: 11:35 a.m. EDT (15:35 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Monday sharply condemned the disclosure of a program to secretly monitor the financial transactions of suspected terrorists. "The disclosure of this program is disgraceful," he said. "For people to leak that program and for a newspaper to publish it does great harm to the United States of America," Bush said, jabbing his finger for emphasis. He said the disclosure of the program "makes it harder to win this war on terror."
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Hmmm...media won't name confidential sources, ergo there can only be one. This passes for "logic" in your world?

Also, you still haven't (and can't) address the relevance of this hobby horse of yours--again, the "problem" with story is that it is too TRUE--that's why the usual suspects are ticked off.

But thanks for answering my other question, albeit indirectly--this "war" (a scare word invoked to justify a whole panoply of authoritarian restrictions) can NEVER end, because there will ALWAYS be terrorism. So just get used to saying "Yes, Master" a lot from now on (and teach your children likewise).

And this is ABSOLUTELY about government power because there can be no check upon it IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT--how friggin' obvious can this be?

And quoting George Bush--bad salesmanship. Not only is he a rich boy cowardly failure who would be selling aluminum siding in Lubbock without his last name, he is also an egomaniac dry drunk with woefully misplaced delusions of infallability.

You can embrace this sack of crap if you want to--all I have to do is endure him.
 
Are you waiting for American soldiers/civilians to die for this treason and sedition by the liberal newspapers or will the act of treason and sedition by the liberal newspapers be enough for you to acknowledge it? You waiting for the body count before your acknowledgement?
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When you can prove to me that a single soldier and/or civilian dies due to the fact that terrorists found out that the US might reduce their troop strength in Iraq in 2007, then I'll acknowledge it.
The agenda of the NYT and its twisted sisters goes far, far beyond condemning the War on Terror or the Iraq theater. They want the U.S. military neutered and for us to fall on our faces in the Middle East. They are part of the Y'All Stay on the Plantation Except for Us Elite Folks movement.
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There's that pesky Vast Left Wing Conspiracy again!
 
GTSteve03 said:
When you can prove to me that a single soldier and/or civilian dies due to the fact that terrorists found out that the US might reduce their troop strength in Iraq in 2007, then I'll acknowledge it.
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The difference between you and I is that I will not wait for the bodybags to arrive before determining that the media is jeopardizing America's security; you, on the other hand, are quite content to allow others to die and bodybags to arrive for a principle you can't defend.

coltrane679 said:
...this "war" (a scare word invoked to justify a whole panoply of authoritarian restrictions)
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Typical paccifist academic criterion by leftists! So should we have sent Al Qaeda hate mail after 09/11/01?
 
There's that pesky Vast Left Wing Conspiracy again!
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No conspiracy, just a shared culture, shared attitudes, shared values. People are social animals. You get hired, stay hired, and advance by moving the ball forward for the team. See any staunch 2A advocates on the NYT or WashPost? There are positions you cannot hold and expect a career with these publications.
 
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The fact is no ones financial tranactions are protected by the Constitution.This is just another blaitant attempt of the NYT to hurt the President,and the war on terror. They don't want this administration to be succesfull against terror and work to defeat Bush's efforts against Terror in hopes that a Democratic Administration would be able to bring down Terror and the credit could go to the Dems.
The problem with that is,with the NYT exposing our secrets just how would the Dems. fight Terror. They'd do just about the same as now only the NYT and other leftist,Bush hating Media would call their actions as couragous,timely, needed to be done, etc.:barf:
 
The Gray Lady has become a withered old strumpet--or maybe just a drag version of same. We are not playing a truth or dare game with radical Islam or radical Socialism. It's too bad the bowtie boys at the Times don't get it, but they will learn, as we all do, the hard way. They really have overreached themselves this time, and people who ordinarily don't give a fig about fishwrap are getting pretty frothy about what looks to them like one more elitist glove slap.
 
The fact is no ones financial tranactions are protected by the Constitution.This is just another blaitant attempt of the NYT to hurt the President,and the war on terror.
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Good point. More specifically, these are international, read foreign, bank transactions, and are international public record, monitored and logged by an international authority in Brussels.

There is no protection under the Constitution or any US law for any of this data. People that bask in the anonymous glow of Swiss bank accounts cannot at the same time lament the fact that the international bodies that monitor and track international fund transfers do not do so within the confines of US privacy laws.

The NY Times is merely conducting business as usual. You know, blame Bush, insult the inteligence of their (diminishing numers of) readers, prolong the WOT, jeapordize the lives of soldiers. The regular stuff.
 
If we're going to throw the word "treason" around

I use to give the media a pass thinking they were working in the public's interest; now I know the media, particularly The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times, are working against us. In sum, the editors at these two papers are aiding the terrorists, guity of treason and sedition, and I hope they are all soon arrested and sent to Guantanamo. These two newspapers and their editors are working against this nation; they are aiding terrorists against our nation.
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I use to give the government a pass....now I know the government,
particularly the Democrat and Republican parties....these two parties
and their leaders are working against this nation; they are aiding globalists
against our nation. :p
 
The Colonials use to employ tar and feathers as a form of vigilante justice; used on either tax men or British sympathizers. I suggest that the editors of The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times be subject to this tar and feather justice post haste; as a means of engendering the point of their treason to others in their profession.
 
GOD BLESS THE NYT.

MORE of the BS eeds to be pointed out.

The gubmnet wants to fight a war on terror? FINE.

But wiping thier A$$ with the Constitution is NOT acceptable.

Give them an INCH, they will take 10000000 miles.

What gubment program EVER did the good it was 'supposed to'?

Let the terrorists attack the US. That is the ONLY thing that will get the FAT, STUPID, LAZY population off thier FAT, STUPID, LAZY asses.

In WWII did we have an all or nothing fight to the death with Nazism and Fascism? YES.

Did we WIN? YES.

In every conflict since we have tried this 'limited' action where the concerns of the FAT, STUPID, LAZY population were more important than carpet bombing the snot out of ever living thing in the war zone. AND WE LOST EVER CONFLICT SINCE WWII.

Face it, when MARINES are held for murder in a WAR ZONE political correctness has gone awry. You CANNOT WIN with those type of reprocussions against our troops.
 
But wiping thier A$$ with the Constitution is NOT acceptable.
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Read the article, get the facts. International financial transactions are NOT protected by the US Constitution.

I guess it's just easier to rant than actually discuss facts. They're so annoying anyway...
 
GOD BLESS THE NYT.

MORE of the BS eeds to be pointed out.

The gubmnet wants to fight a war on terror? FINE.

But wiping thier A$$ with the Constitution is NOT acceptable.

Give them an INCH, they will take 10000000 miles.

What gubment program EVER did the good it was 'supposed to'?

Let the terrorists attack the US. That is the ONLY thing that will get the FAT, STUPID, LAZY population off thier FAT, STUPID, LAZY asses.

In WWII did we have an all or nothing fight to the death with Nazism and Fascism? YES.

Did we WIN? YES.

In every conflict since we have tried this 'limited' action where the concerns of the FAT, STUPID, LAZY population were more important than carpet bombing the snot out of ever living thing in the war zone. AND WE LOST EVER CONFLICT SINCE WWII.

Face it, when MARINES are held for murder in a WAR ZONE political correctness has gone awry. You CANNOT WIN with those type of reprocussions against our troops.
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If you're saying the PC disease has gravely infected "D.C." I agree with you, but one of the fonts of this disease is mainstream media, and the NY Times is in the vanguard of that.

As the man said, the Fourth Estate appears to have become a Fifth Column.
 
The Colonials use to employ tar and feathers as a form of vigilante justice; used on either tax men or British sympathizers. I suggest that the editors of The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times be subject to this tar and feather justice post haste; as a means of engendering the point of their treason to others in their profession.
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I sure don't remember this kind of vehemence when Geraldo Rivera of FOX News was kicked out of Iraq for giving away secret military positions on National television!

I guess it's ok to pick and choose your treason! :rolleyes:
 
GTSteve03 said:
I sure don't remember this kind of vehemence when Geraldo Rivera of FOX News was kicked out of Iraq for giving away secret military positions on National television!
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Senor Rivera's on-air map episode in Iraq was more of a technical misunderstanding by him of the broadcast rules for embedded journalists and yes he did pay a price. Surely you are wise enough to spot the difference between this Geraldo issue during initial Iraq invasion (which also happened to several other embedded journalists with Army units) and the NYT giving away state secrets!



More Here!
 
It ain't news because there's nothing new to it. As has been said already the government announced shortly after 9/11 that it would follow the money to the terrorists and those that finance them. The fact that an international banking and finance organization is identified as one of the means to follow the money isn't treason since it gives nothing of value away. Only a moron wouldn't think that every finance organisation in the world is either cooperating or is being hacked to get the info on how money moves in the "War on Terror".
 
If they added another letter to a certain alphabet agency and made it the BATFem I'd be behind it.

Make it the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, explosives and media. They should make any publisher of information get a federal media license and any transfer of information must undergo a $200 tax paid and BATFem approval.

The drive-by assault media is obviously too dangerous for ordinary people, and especially companies in the business of diseminating information, much like companies in the business of arms sales they should be regulated. Since the media broadcasts and distribution span multiple states it clearly falls under the Interstate Commerce Clause.

The 1st amendment is clearly a 'collective right' of the people, because the same 'people' in the 1st amendment is used in the 2nd amendment. I.e. only the federal government and state governments can use the power of the press responsibly. That means Karl Rove has the right to hold press conferences and leak anything he wishes, the NYT does not. If you want to release news, then join the whitehouse or military public relations corps.

Hey what's good for the 2A is good for the 1A isn't it? What are those hypocrites at the NYT complaining about anyway. The same 'person/people' is used in the 4th amendment too. So the 4th Amendment is a 'collective right' as well. As long as the government does not pry into every single persons' records it has not violated the 4th.

Now liberals get their wish, a "living, breathing document".
 
hso, if it wasn't NEWS why did they print it?

And why did the government waste their time being interviewed by the NYT and asking them not to?

HMMMM.

Guess what, "nothing to see here" doesn't cut it this time. This isn't "all about sex" (although denying a fellow American her rights by perjuring oneself was bad enough). "Everybody knows" is not a defense.

Everyone did not know, and our enemies did not know. Can you spell "aid and comfort"?
 
We're all adults here. Does anyone on this thread really have any doubts what the guys at the Times are saying over drinks or urinal-to-urinal? Come on. They want Bush politically dead. They see him as the avenging angel of the Christian Right and that scares them and angers them to the marrow. You can sub out all the high-falutin' Constitutional stuff and get down to the gut-shots.
 
I repeat; Does anyone really think that the Ts weren't aware that their financial records were being scrutinized? A tempest in a teacup if I ever saw one...

Biker
 
Biker said:
Does anyone really think that the Ts weren't aware that their financial records were being scrutinized? A tempest in a teacup if I ever saw one...
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That's one way of looking at it Biker; give the NYT a pass. But not so fast... the banking surveillance program that the Times divulged was actually working, detected terror cell funding and assets of known terrorists. Now this program is concluded simply because the Times has a political vendetta against the President.

Now let's move forward a bit...suppose this nation is hit again by terrorists, and some of these terrorists would have been detected by their financial transfers. Can you say reckless homocide? contributory manslaughter? premeditated murder?

A tempest in a teacup? Hardly. Blantant treason perhaps. Active sedition perhaps. Wrong? Most definately.
 
The New York Times is not the law and not above the law.

But I just heard Pat Buchanan aver that this Administration--Tony Snow specifically--has "blinked" at the prospect of lowering the hammer on the NY Times. We will see. I really don't think that Bush has the spine to face down the Times and its political and philosophical allies for all his tough talk.
 
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