Why CCW permits should be allowed at age 18

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

This is Britian, but stuff like this happens all the time. See the video link in the middle of the page. Completely unprovoked attack. They had no means to defend themselves and weren't aware of their surroundings. I sure those punks would've ran if they saw a gun. I'm not sure of how ccw works and isn't not aloowed there? But anyways If your old enough to caryy a weapon, and fight for your country, you should be aloowed to defend yourself. Maybe just more rules or class time for under 21 CCW. On a related note, what is a good concealable defense weapon an idividual under the age of 21 could or should carry?
 
On a related note, what is a good concealable defense weapon an idividual under the age of 21 could or should carry?

A friend over 21 who is CCWing :evil: Seriously, a stun gun or pepper spray is probably your best bet if allowed in your jurisdiction. Most state and local laws forbid carrying any knife expressly for self defense as it turns into a weapon when that is your intent. Now if you're carrying that nice sturdy locking blade folder for general utility use and it happens to get pressed into service in self defense thats a whole 'nother story ;) Just remember what to tell the kind officer when he asks why you have said knife. I personally have a knife on me at all times its allowed and it frequently gets used for everyday things like opening my mail, flattening boxes, cleaning my fingernails, etc.
 
actually im starting work at home depot and they issue boxcutters i think. But there strict and may have a policy of leaving them in the store. I'ts just because I'm on the Mass border with lawrence and other areas and will be working to 11 or 11:30 at night and on my own(required to park way far away from store so customers can park. That means a long lonely walk to my car in the middle of the night), and lately, some sketchy people have been crossing to NH border(no sales tax) and I'm seeing more and more of a need to be able to protect myself. It just sucks that not being 21 hinders that.
 
Stop making me jealous:fire: .

159:12 Sale to Minors. – Any person who shall sell, barter, hire, lend or give to any minor any pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. This section shall not apply to fathers, mothers, guardians, administrators or executors who give a revolver to their children or wards or to heirs to an estate.

Whats the defenition of a minor? Under 18 or 21? Any NH people care to help? Because it states that any individual who may legally purchase a handgun may apply for ccw.
 
In Indiana parents are the only ones who can let their son or daughter use a pistol with a permit. I think it's derived from a forced Federal law but am not sure.
 
it states that any individual who may legally purchase a handgun may apply for ccw.

By federal law legal age to purchase a handgun is 21. Some states have exemptions allowing persons under 21 to posses a handgun if given to them by a parent or legal guardian. Legally purchase, not posses is the key word here.

159:12 Sale to Minors. – Any person who shall sell, barter, hire, lend or give to any minor any pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. This section shall not apply to fathers, mothers, guardians, administrators or executors who give a revolver to their children or wards or to heirs to an estate.

I'm not a lawyer, but it looks like minor in this case would be anyone under 21 since they cannot purchase a handgun, but, again, may posses a revolver if given to them specified parties so named in the code section. I find it interesting how the law specifies pistol and revolver and only allows a revolver to be given to the minor not a pistol.

I think your best bet is a personally owned knife clipped in the pocket. If the store issues you a box a cutter I highly doubt they'll say anything about a pocket knife - I mean its Home Depot you're workin for not Babies/Kids/Toys "be" US.
 
Indiana Home Depots'

Another thought also,Home Depot is an anti-gun establishment also.If seen with pistol holstered with CCW on person,you will be asked to leave the property.
 
Yea I just read their policy and their anti every kind of weapon, and then special permission for mace and pepper spray. They also say this includes storing it in your car in the parking lot. But if I recall, they have no authority over what you keep in your car. Isn't there a law about that?
 
Yea I just read their policy and their anti every kind of weapon, and then special permission for mace and pepper spray. They also say this includes storing it in your car in the parking lot. But if I recall, they have no authority over what you keep in your car. Isn't there a law about that?

1) As I said earlier, a pocketknife is not a weapon. It is a tool carried on your person. Your explanation is simple; as a literate man you carry a pen because you may have occasion to use it, despite the fact that you have no immediate plans of writing anything. As a post stone age human you also carry a knife, the most basic of tools, even though you have no immediate plans to use this tool, but you may have ocassion to use it at some point.

2) Again, I'm no lawyer, but last I had knowledge of your vehicle is an extension of your home so the company policy with concern to your vehicle is meaningless.
 
In New Hampshire, there's no minimum age limit - traditionally, though, it's 18. Some small flap a few years ago when a 16-year-old got his LTC. Local chief said that he'd refuse to approve it unless a court told him he had to. Chief in another town (where the kid got his) said that he didn't want to approve it but the law was clear, he (the chief, that is) had to so he did.

As for me, back when my kids turned 18, I sent 'em off to the local PD to get theirs. Right of passage and all that.
 
So would the process be different under this circumstance to get a ltc for me in NH? As oppose to how it would normally be obtained?
 
You know, this is an issue that's of great relevence to me, and almost no one else in the shooting community. I turn 19 in just over a month, so it'll be nearly two years until I can apply for my Florida CCP. But for someone in my position, there's a three year span of legal uncertainties, pitfalls, and idiocies. I truly don't understand why the law declares 18 to be the legal age for virtually everything, but in the realm of firearms feels that a person doesn't gain resposibility until 21 (I suppose I can only be glad that I don't like alcohol). Consider the following:

At age 18, I can legally buy a Barrett M82A1 .50 BMG semi-auto sniper rifle at my local gun store, but I can't buy a .22 LR Ruger MkIII plinking pistol. Except that I can buy it from a private seller, just not a dealer. Why? What remote, insane, idiotic legislative purpose does that serve? It means it's entirely legal for a 19-year-old gang membe to buy a Glock from someone in the newspaper, but not from a respectable gun dealer. By law, all that gang member needs is a Florida driver's license as proof of residency. If they tried to buy a handgun from a dealer (were it legal), the background check would clearly show if they had committed any felonies. Why, in the name of Gord, is the law constructed to PREVENT background checks from being done, while arguably INCREASING the likelihood of a convicted felon acquiring through legal means a handgun? Why is it that I can buy any handgun I want, but only if I can find it for sale in the used market? And let's not even get into the screwed-up complexities of "staw purchases" and "gifts".

At age 18, I can legally keep my Kimber loaded, in the glovebox of my car. Yet I can't carry it on my person, even though in all honesty I could probably out-score most law enforcement officers at qualifications with it.* Furthermore, even though I can own the weapon and keep it in my vehicle, loaded, I cannot buy ammunition for it. Legally I can go out and buy crates and crates of .50 BMG, .308 Win, and .223 Rem, but I can't purchase so much as a single .22 CB shell, if "intended for use in a handgun". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? A while back I was told by the clerk at a local Wal-Mart sporting goods department that she knew of a young Corrections deputy who was only 20 or so, and thus had to have his parents purchase ammunition for him (although who knows if that was true or not). While the law states that it's a felony to sell ammunition to a minor, there's no "intent of purchaser" provision that makes it illegal for a parent to purchase ammunition and then hand it to a minor. Asking why at this point seems redundant.

18, 19, and 20 year-olds are truly screwed over by firearm laws as they now stand. I've met people who have done tours in Iraq, in Fallujah, and yet can't carry a Kel-Tec in their pocket while going to the grocery store. The sad thing of it is, no one really cares about lobbying to change the status of adults stuck in this strange legal grey area. The only good side of the situation is that it's inherently temporary. Unless you happen to be attacked and killed before you turn 21 as a result of being legally unarmed. In which case your condition is most decidedly permament.


*Although to be fair, this is partially a result of the fact that most departments around here don't have particularly stringent qualification requirements, and from what I gather 500-600 rounds per year for practice is a standard maximum allotment for patrol officers.
 
Well from what I have seen, 18 to 21 year olds have just as much need defend to themselves if necessary than people over 21. I've been in some pretty hairy situations. But nost of them wouldhave required getting out of the area whether I had a firearm or not, so for now I thank my fast feet.
 
18 to 21 year olds have just as much need defend to themselves if necessary than people over 21.

Politics & Politicians. I see it everyday. I'm in the Air Force, been to Iraq for several months. My buddies who are under 21 could drink in Qatar on the way home, at the airport in Europe while they serviced the plane. Get back to the states and now they can't. If I buy 'em a beer I get in trouble for supplyin it, they get in trouble for drinkin it - nevermind that they can vote, nevermind that they voluntarily joined the armed forces, nevermind the months spent in Iraq making sure all the comm and other equipment was running so our operations folks could control all aircraft in theater, and the list goes on. Whaddaya do? You go to the polls and vote, and you voice your opinions to your elected representatives. In the meantime I pour myself and my over 21 buddies a Single Malt, pour my under 21 buddies a Coke, and we all light up our cigars together. You do the best you can with whats allowed until somethin better comes along. You two young men hang in there the next two or three years until you each turn 21 and are full adult according the government. Until then carry a pocketknife on your person, a firearm in the car (where legal), and always be ready to beat feet to safer ground. Stay safe pdowg & Wes
 
I really see a problem with not being cinsidered an adult, and military service is an excellent example. Individuals under 21 in the armed forces are trusted with equipment worth millions, and they put there lives on the line, but cant do so much when they come back home.
I'm just getting fed up with all of these laws and technicalities and it seems the right to defend oneslef is easy by instinct and difficult by law. So far my feet have served me well as I've had to run many times. I'm just worried what happens if I don;t have that kind of an out. Almost makes you want to make things right and become a politician, until you remeber honesty isn't always valued attribute in the political world. But until I'm 21 I'll do what I can from the polls.
 
Let's not forget all those 17 year olds who go in straight out of high school or even attend basic the summer before their senoir year. Yep, they're trusted carry an M16 thats not even legal for civillians of any age in many states, but they can't even vote, can't even buy a long gun, can't even buy tobacco, aren't even considered a partial adult. It's weird, confusing, contradictory, frustrating, but it is what it is. Keep hangin in there.
 
Here in Florida a person over 18 can legally buy and own a handgun.
Here's the kicker. That person can't buy it from an FFL.
It has to be a private sale. Which here in Fla. is perfectly legal.

Florida... The Gunshine State.

AFS
 
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