Why do anti-gunners think they speak for me?

Status
Not open for further replies.

the 22 junkie

Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2006
Messages
267
Location
Houston, TX
Something has been bothering me lately. Every anti-gun article/rant I come across seems to have one thing in common "Do it for the children (more like the greater glory of the republic.). I'm sorry, what? When the hell did I say you could speak for me and represent me? Who gave you permission to exploit my age and innocence in the name of tyranny and your sick and twisted views of "freedom from fear"? Oh yeah, Nobody. Jesus Christ, they act as if they're going to protect the poor, misguided youth for the corrupting evils of the gun and our evil GUN CULTURE (oh noes!). I never gave anyone any permission to say that I am being indroctinated by Eddie Eagle and I'm too stupid and/or untrustworthy to not shoot myself or a freind (I'm not that dumb) In fact, I'm probably one of the most responsible 14 year olds you'll ever meet in a world of crass commercialism, civil suits, insanity pleas, and American Idol. Its not just guns too. Second hand smoke, M-80's (if dumb***es want to blow off their fingers, they probably deserved it for being so stupid), abortion (that one really cracks me up), books (come and take my copy of The Catcher in the Rye, I dare you.), and RFID implants (Lord knows us children are to stupid to be trusted un supervisied :rolleyes: ), to name a few. Anti-gunners, I can take care of myself, I am not stupid, I am probably more trustworthy than most of you, so buzz off. The message I have is clear: Why do poloticians and special interest groups feel like they can exploit me to further their cuase without my consent?
 
Not much I can add, just offer to buy you a beer in 7 years.:neener:

That is their logic. To them, the masss are too stupid to take care of themselves and need their help. They are racists too. Telling minorities, in a nice way, that they are inferior to the white man and therefore need quotas, special treatment, and handouts to make it in our modern world.:mad:
 
hey yea who said the 'mature' 'grownups' *cogh* hillary
say they can represent us youth..none i diddnt say represent me please for i am a unknowing youth..:scrutiny:
 
In a nutshell, the anti gun movement is rooted in wanting everyone unable to take care of themselves. They want everyone to have to look to the government for everything. They want that power over you and me. Someone that has a gun can protect themselves, feed themselves, etc. In other words they know that a gun is a great tool for establishing self reliance and independence. That scares the hell out of them. The whole "It's for the children" BS is about preying on the emotions of the weak to get them to allow or help perpetuate something that isn't really in their own best interest. It's the feel good mentality. Well if we ban all the guns then no one will ever get shot again, it feels so good. It's completely impossible, irrational, and moronic, but it feels good. So the weak minded buy it. And don't confuse intelligence with strength, there are many geniuses who are very weak minded. These people can be manipulated to support any thing they want them to as long as they can word or frame it so that it feels good. It's the reason that a woman is allowed to sit at home and do nothing except keep having kids and they give her more and more money as she cranks out another puppy. This woman is completely and totally Dependant on the government, just like they want her. But it feels so good to give her money. We are helping her. Helping her what exactly? We are helping keep her under the government thumb. Keeping her voting for the people that keep the freebies and handouts coming her way.

We are in a zero-responsibility, always someone else to blame, everyone's a victim, society. They don't ask people to do what makes sense, but what feels good. When something doesn't feel good but they want to push it on us they create a euphemism. Shell Shock felt bad, so Post Traumatic Stress Disorder was invented and felt better. The condition didn't change just the name and the feelings the names invoked and hence how we deal with it. It's why GIs coming home from WWII got the help they needed and GIs coming back from Vietnam didn't. It's the reason we give high school kids condoms instead of telling them not to be stupid. It feels so much better to let them do what ever the hell they want to do and hope the condoms keep them alive. It's why parents say stupid things like "I'm my Johnny's best friend" when Johnny needs a parent and not another friend.

Most anti gun people have bought into the misguided line of thought that is being pushed on them by a small few. That small few know exactly what they are saying and doing is wrong. But they desire the power I described above. So they manipulate the masses via the schools and the media. They are dumbing down the education system for a specific reason, it produces less educated people. Less educated people tend to react emotionally rather than acting rationally and logically. Emotional reactions make it easier to push the feel good mentality.

A gun is 180 degrees opposed to the feel good mentality. A person owning a gun means that there are bad people out there and I must protect myself from them as no one else can. That doesn't feel good. The fact that people need to carry because there are people that will kill them just because they are there or want their shoes doesn't feel good. And they want what feels good. The antis want you to believe that if it wasn't for the gun that crimes that are committed with guns would have never happened. If we ban the guns all these crimes that are committed with guns will stop happening. That feels good. It's fiction, but it feels good. The antis want you to believe that 911 is a silver bullet for crime. That if you call 911 you will be fine because the police will always come protect you and arrest the bad guy. That feels good. It's fiction, but it feels good.

In the end it all comes down to power. If you cannot protect yourself, or feed yourself you cannot have any level of independence. If you are dependent on someone else for something they have the power to control you by virtue of holding that need over your head. Food, clothing, shelter, protection, it can all be used to control you if you are rendered unable to provide it for yourself.

How many people now a days could go through a long term disaster and survive completely on their own mettle? How many people in New Orleans died because they were so dependent on someone else(government) that they didn't know how to get themselves to safety? Or didn't know that they should try to save themselves.
 
Ah, a thread I can relate to. I've spoken my mind in the past about the same issue.

The latest generation of human is basically being trained to be as submissive and weak as possible by schools (elementary-college) and various other things run by anti-gun liberals. They think that since they trained us this way, it is how we think. Problem is that either the reasonable people point out the errors in the anti-gun logic, or we find them for ourselves. So they think they're speaking for us when, while it is true for some, it most certainly isn't true for many.

Since we're younger they can make the impression that we are weak and need someone older, stronger, and "smarter" (be sure you keep the puke in the toilet) to guide us and stand up for us while most of us don't even feel that way.

It drives me absolutely insane. How could some adult who has been out of high school for a decade or more speak for us? Oh, so you spoke to a couple dozen students and got their opinions. Congratulations, but if I ask the right adults I could get any answer to any question I want.

It's our responsibility to learn from their mistakes and try to make it better for our kids. Just hope that there are enough people that don't fall for the lies.
 
Because they are doing the Lords work, they know what the Lord wants and they know you are just some poor fool who cant be trusted. Hey they will feel safer if YOU dont have a gun, they are just scard of you.

"God not Guns
Faith in action to end gun violence
Become part of our powerful faith-based community"

Taken from Brady campaign front page

ps wow 100th post and clip clip clip
 
Erebus, (and all the rest of you),

Thanks for verbalizing something that makes a lot of sense in a world that makes none.

I hadn't ever thought about gun ownership in the context of what "feels good" but you are absolutely right.

And to the younger members... keep on shooting, and get your friends interested and involved. It's good to see that not all 14 year olds are pot-smoking video-game players. (Not that playing video games is bad, but in my experience it leads to a very warped perception of reality).

j
 
very warped perception of reality

I resent you makeing a statment like that, i have been playing video games from 7 yrs old and i turned out just fine. Now if you will excuse me i have to go see my therapist and take my pills so the evil aliens dont invade earth from a stargate into the 5th realm of life.
 
Mindwip, this is your therapist speaking. Please remember to bring your console with you - during your last visit, we didn't finish dealing with the aliens and their starship hiding underneath the Mayan pyramids in Mexico. I'd like to finish the job before we tackle the invasion of androids from the Andromeda sector - I think they're about to infest the School Board, which would never do!

:uhoh:
 
22 junkie,

You express yourself very well for someone your age, and can think for yourself too. How did you manage that in the face of public (or private) school conditioning and indoctrination. It's nice to see that 14 year olds can still attain a level of maturity that was once much more common. I hope some of it rubs off on your peers.
 
When something doesn't feel good but they want to push it on us they create a euphemism. Shell Shock felt bad, so Post Traumatic Stress Disorder was invented and felt better.

The other reason that they create euphemisms like PTSD is so that more people can participate in being victims. Shell Shock is too specific; you have to actually be a combat veteran for it to apply. PTSD can be caused by anything from being a veteran of Bastogne or the Tet offensive to being trapped in an elevator for two hours. Everyone gets to participate, everyone can be a victim. Attention Deficit Disorder can apply to everything from an actual organic problem to just being a kid. Oh no, don't give little Johnny a spanking to make him behave. Medicate him so he will conform.

The anti-gunners want everyone to be a victim so they can administer their form of "assistance" which is really a veiled form of control. Being ready willing and able to protect yourself creates one less "victim" for them to control. Replace "anti-gunner" with "control-freak" every time you see it. It gives you the correct starting place for dealing with these people.
 
My question has been answered:

Tomorrow's leaders are those like 22 Junkie.

Run for president, you'll have my vote.


...Oh, and appoint me as the director of the BATFE if you'd be so kind.

I'd like to disband it.
 
I'm more curious as to why they think we're so violent.
As soon as I mention I own guns or like guns, the comments like, "I hope you don't shoot anyone," "I hope you don't rob a bank," "I guess that means you like to shoot people," start.
Funny thing is...often times, those comments are followed by, "If I had a gun I know a few people I'd shoot," and if not, they continue talking about violently low level players for no reason in whatever RPG game they're talking about.
It's mad, I say.
 
OK...I think you all have just convinced me to take my two girls (11 and 8) to the range today...it will be their third time...and they LOVE it
 
Why do poloticians (sic) and special interest groups feel like they can exploit me to further their cuase (sic) without my consent?
Because it's in THEIR best interests to do so... of course. People in power only have control over those who allow themselves to BE controlled. The rest are branded as troublemakers and need to be dealt with accordingly. Our forefathers knew this, having just committed treason and having revolted, wrote up some new rules for those who were to follow.

The world is not a safe place. The strong eat the weak. Be strong. Stay strong. Learn strength. Teach strength. Question authority.

You'll go far.
 
The leftists instinctively side with evil. They side with criminals with their arguments that long sentences don't "rehabilitate". They love Castro and the failed Soviet Union experiment. The leftists around here now have bumper stickers that say "Terrorism is a Symptom, It is not the Problem". So now the left blames ME for terrorism because I have a job and work hard. If you have a gun, you may hurt a person you pushed into crime because you hold a job, or finished high school or whatever. And Communism will solve all of this and you would only get to see a gun if you disagree with the Communist position and get the traditional bullet to the head. Around here the Center for Peace and Justice advocates Communist ideals. The type of government that has killed more of their own people in the last 100 years than all wars in the same period. To the left, left is right, right is wrong, up is down, Peace and Justice is........

They speak for you because you are not "smart enough" to see their reality. They have to be really deep thinkers to rationalize all these things they believe!
 
In fact, I'm probably one of the most responsible 14 year olds you'll ever meet
I was you. Life for you will get worse before it gets better.

The life of a responsible 15 year old boy is :banghead: . You look around you and see many irresponsible jerks who, because they have been breathing oxygen for 11 months longer than you, have a drivers license which allows them to go out and do things that make people in charge pass laws and rules that further restrict you. At age 15, I was often mistaken for 21 or even 25.

Later you will again be discriminated against because you are not yet 18. Then because you are not yet 21. It is nearly impossible to rent a car before you are 25. Even if you are an employed college grad.

I wish I had more positive words to say to you. Chronological age discrimination is evil. It will, however, be cured (one individual at a time) by time.
 
I'm more curious as to why they think we're so violent.
As soon as I mention I own guns or like guns, the comments like, "I hope you don't shoot anyone," "I hope you don't rob a bank," "I guess that means you like to shoot people," start.
Those are the weak minded that have bought the hype. They think you are an average Joe, non-violent and a good guy. Then they find out you own a gun and all that programming kicks in and they now believe that the presence of the gun will make you a violent psychopath.

Funny thing is...often times, those comments are followed by, "If I had a gun I know a few people I'd shoot," and if not, they continue talking about violently low level players for no reason in whatever RPG game they're talking about.
These guys know that they lack the character and discipline to be trusted with a gun but are still arrogant enough to think that if they can't hack it no one can.

Just remember these people are the puppets parroting what they have been indoctrinated with. There are puppetmasters that know better than all this but it doesn't serve their agenda for the public to be armed. It all comes back to their desire to have that power over you.
 
I've never met a person under the age of 18 who has been raised with guns that has not been very mature. I recently traded guns with a person who drove down to my place from Northern Indiana. He brought his two young sons along. I'd say they were about 12 or so. They showed no interest whatsoever in the guns. They were far more interested in petting our cat.

If you hear Ted Nugent's 14 year old son talk on tv and you're not watching you'll think you're listening to a mature adult.
 
Heh, you never met me:D I was raised with guns and had access to them all my life and I was very immature until my early twenties. Except with the guns. I had been shown at a very young age exactly what guns were capable of doing. Watching my Dad hunt and then helping him clean the birds, squirrels, and rabbits.

Someone might have to stay on me to get my chores done. No one had to lock the guns or the ammunition. Those weren't toys. Uh uh. No way.

I was hunting without supervision by the age of twelve. Never had any problems.

On the other hand, put me behind the wheel of a car and I was a typical teenage boy with a lead foot.

I was mature with firearms. Unfortunately it didn't seep over into other areas.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top