Pentagon SWAT uses .40cal MP5's?

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I saw a clip on R. Lee Ermey's Mail Call, where he was interviewing with the Pentagon's SWAT team and they were going to let him shoot their .40cal MP5's. Just thought it was interesting that some LE departments are using the MP5's in .40s&w. I'm migrating from the 9mm to the .40s&w and think moves like this are giving the .40s&w the boost it probably deserves.
It seems that to get enough "stopping power" from a 9mm one has to get into +P or +P+, whereas the .40s&w seems to already come standard in +P+ power.
 
The FBI had a special order made at HK about ten years ago, for MP5's in ten mm. These subguns had a lot of problems, and I think some may have been reworked for S&W 40 caliber only. I've seen the 10mm versions called "MP5/10s" and supposedly they are in fed slang called "MP five and dimes."
 
All MP5s have now been discontinued by HK, replaced by the mechancially simpler UMP series. UMPs are available in 9mm, .40, and .45.

Makes sense. If a department issues a .40 caliber handgun, there's no reason to complicate logistics by using 9mm subguns if you can get them in .40 also.
 
This may seem like a strange question but.....

What the heck does the pentagon need a swat team for. Swat teams are
for arrests too dangerous for normal police, hostage situations etc. Why does an office building for the military need a law enforcement swat team. Couldn't the FBI handle anything in the unlikely event such a team was needed at the pentagon. I thought that law enforcement duties were forbidden to be performed by the military unless martial law was proclaimed or national guard was called up under the authority of a state government.

I feel we have way to many paramilitary enforcement teams already and all of them are looking to make show stopping raids to justify the money spent on them. I think we need to pressure our federal reps to rein in this waste of money and abuse of power.
 
thexrayboy, welcome to THR.
I thought that law enforcement duties were forbidden to be performed by the military unless martial law was proclaimed or national guard was called up under the authority of a state government.
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That applies outside of military installations. On a military installation the military has authority to do, and does, their own law enforcement.
Swat teams are for arrests too dangerous for normal police, hostage situations etc. Why does an office building for the military need a law enforcement swat team. Couldn't the FBI handle anything in the unlikely event such a team was needed at the pentagon.
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Unlikely? The Pentagon is a target, a hard target, but a high value one. On a military installation you want your own folks. You can assure that they're properly cleared (security clearance wise) and trained to handle the unique circumstances and situations encountered on post. A SWAT team is not only for hostage situations and high risk arrest. On a military installation they'll also be used as a QRF, a quick response force. They can quickly respond to any threat with decisive force and tactics. I would feel very uncomfortable if the Pentagon didn't have a QRF/SWAT team. Others can elaborate more, but that's a bit of the basics.
 
OK I get it...

They really don't need a SWAT team in the traditional LEO style. What it really is for is an armed rapid response team for possible military style attacks. That would make a bit more sense.
 
They really don't need a SWAT team in the traditional LEO style. What it really is for is an armed rapid response team for possible military style attacks. That would make a bit more sense.
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Wait for it..............



The Pentagon Force Protection Ageny is a civilian agency. If you have any specific questions, I have a buddy that works there and will be happy to relay them.


Norm
 
'Scuse me while I pick nits...

...but in Gunny Ermey's interview with PFPA/ERT Ofc. Scott Colgan, the subgun is described as a H&K UMP40 .40-caliber submachinegun - it's a different design than the MP5, the receiver is injection-molded polymer instead of stamped sheet metal, and the UMP action is straight blowback as opposed to the MP5's roller-delayed blowback.

That's Mail Call Episode #69: "Inside the Pentagon"(featured on Mail Call: The Best of Season Six).
 
S.W.A.T. stands for, Special Weapons And Tactics. Almost any law enforcement team that is employed to take on special assignments using weapons and tactics that divert from or are more specialized than the normal LEO fare could be called or considered a "SWAT" team. S.W.A.T. Doesn't mean hostage situations (those would be handled by the FBI's HRT in most Federal cases anyway) or high-risk arrests, it means what it stands for, special weapons and tactics.

And yes, they are UMP-40's, not MP5's, as already indicated in the thread.
 
The FBI uses MP5/40s as well IIRC.
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I personally believe this is an awesome choice. I am a .40cal guy and you can't beat an mp5! I sure wish i had one, or even an ump for that matter!:)
 
HK MP-5s 10mm/Tom Clancy

I think the only FBI/HRT agents still using the 10mm MP5s are in Tom Clancy's novels/video games.

Rusty :D
 
Some pretty big gloves for a rifle without a winter trigger :eek: Not only that, but the safety appears to be off, though I may be wrong (damn my poor eyesight :().
 
I bet Pentagon SWAT would be a boring job....
unless range time was unlimited/free as well as ammo.
 
Unlimited free ammo... could our Mall Ninja be working in the Pentagon Mall (there must be one, couldn't have a building that big without a mall)?
 
Dedicated Response Team

High-value, hard-to-resume targets like the Pentagon, White House, and Capitol have their own dedicated response teams. They exist for one reason only. If team members are lucky, they have a very, very boring career.

Dedicated teams are a necessity. They know every inch of the protected area and often conduct training on-site. The know the local personnel, policy, and procedures. They have unfettered access to the building (or at least they should....) Moreover, there is no doubt about who is in charge during a crisis.

JY
 
On Sunday I was watching FBI Files and they had shown an MP5 stood up in a corner and called it a .223 caliber rifle.

Judging by the size of the magazine, there is no way you can stuff a .223round in it. You can try, but, getting it to function properly is another story. YMMV!
 
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