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I am planning to move from Miami to Boston for work-related reasons.

I own an SA XD45 (13+1 rds), and I am planning to buy a Beretta PX4 9mm (20 rds) and also an SA M1A.

I don't have a CC permit, but here in Florida I can keep all of these great weapons at home without a problem.

Is is the same in Boston? Will I have to give up these beauties?
 
I strongly suggest you review the information at GOAL. If I remember correctly you will need a minimum of an FID card to keep your weapons at home. If you are within Boston city limits things will be more complicated than if you are in a suburb thereof.

Welcome to The High Road!
 
You can bring the pistols into Mass, even though they are not approved guns by Mass standards. The rifle is fine under Mass regulations. A Firearms Indenifcation Card (FID) is ok for owning non high capacity long arms, but you will not be allowed to take the guns you own, since they are restricted, out of your residence without obtaning an License to Carry Class "A". No matter what license you apply for, you will need to take an approved firearm saftey course ASAP, then apply for a Class "A" LTC through the local police dept. BTW, an LTC does not give you a right to carry but only to own high capacity handguns and rifles. Boston also has its own stricter gun laws than the rest of the state. Please check out http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/faq.html for more detailed info on this process. This is not an easy process but you already, by coming to THR and asking questions, started out on the right foot.
 
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Not exactly correct

and in Massachusetts that means VERY wrong!

A Firearms Indenifcation Card (FID) is ok for owning non high capacity guns but you will not be allowed to take the ones you own, since they are restricted, out of your residence without obtaning an License to Carry Class "A". No matter what license you apply for, you will need to take an approved firearm saftey course ASAP, then apply for a Class "A" LTC through the local police dept. BTW, an LTC does not give you a right to carry but only to own high capacity handguns and rifles.

First, your guns are not "restricted." Your MAGAZINES are! Unless they are "pre-ban" mags, you cannot possess them in Massachusetts. Forget the fact that the Federal ban expired; Mass. has its own AWB.

Second, an FID is NOT "ok for owning non high capacity guns." It is OK for defensive sprays and non "high capacity" LONG ARMS. Period. It does not cover ANY handguns.

Third, you cannot even POSSESS the guns after being in-state more than 60 days. That is your window for applying for your LTC. That "in-home" stuff ceased to exist in 1998 - apparently some people still have not grasped that concept.

Free legal advice from internet chatrooms is worth what you paid for it - IF that much.:scrutiny:
 
Ok...ok..it is infact confusing...I went to GOAL's site...let me see if I got everything right:

I am only planning to carry guns to the range, in the trunk, not concealed or loaded; but since that will include rifles and high-capacity guns, I will need an "A" license, which cannot be obtained in Boston (by a civilian).

So my best bet is to reside just outside of Boston so I will be able to get the "A" license and own a 20 round Beretta, an M1 etc.

Right?
 
I'd look for a better state to work/live in.

Are you gonna be making that much more money than you are in FL?

Forget that question. None of my business.
 
Don't pay

attention to Tory,

You can get great advice on everything gun related here at THR!
It may not be 100% correct though:neener:

for advice on things not gun related our sister forum www.armedpolitesociety.com is pretty good.

my free advice? don't move to Boston, it's cold and full of liberals.

Move to Reno where you can buy any gun you like and politicians run ad's like "my opponent said he is conservative, but I am really conservative":cool:
 
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Hate to say it, but looks like your best option is to get a place just over the border in NH, then commute..............
 
Don't go to Boston you will hate it is MA no better than CA. Wait till you see housing costs!!!!!

Trust me long time escapee from MA
 
I'd thought you couldn't have more than a 10rd mag in MA, period, unless it was a pre-ban one? I KNOW you can't have any of the LEO-marked ones. As far as I know, you'd have to dump both the 13rd and the 20rd mags.

And yeah, what Gezzer said. If you live over the border and commute like a lot of people do, you can have anything you want. Unlimited capacity, Class III, whatever. No registry, no FOID at all. All you'd need to sign up for is a CCW, which is $10 and no requirements.

MA CCW, that's a whole other thing, $100, requirements, and at the discretion of how good or bad a police chief you have, I think.

And you have a snowball's chance in hell of ever being allowed to carry anything in the city of Boston itself. Lots of shootings, but near zero legal CCWs.

The office massacre a few years ago, Edgewater Technologies in MA, one of those murdered in the office was a NH resident who couldn't get a MA permit for that area, so wasn't allowed to have his weapon with him.
 
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I'd thought you couldn't have more than a 10rd mag in MA, period, unless it was a pre-ban one? I KNOW you can't have any of the LEO-marked ones. As far as I know, you'd have to dump both the 13rd and the 20rd mags.

If you have a Class A pistol permit, you can have 10+ rd mags regardless of their date of manufacture. And IIRC, it's not the magazine, it's the gun.

My town rarely issues Class A permits so I have a Class B. The Class B allows high-cap long arms and low-cap pistols. Also, an A permit allows you to carry concealed (with restrictions if noted) while a B does not allow you to carry concealed.

It's very confusing sometimes. Fortunately, my new job in NH starts Monday, and I'll be moving up there as soon as I can.
 
I am planning to move from Miami to Boston for work-related reasons.

My first impulse is to tell you not to move here! But, we need all the honest gun owners we can get.

Don't pay attention to Tory, we who have been here awhile have gotten used to his "Cartman" style.

Umm, bad advice. Tory is a lawyer who practises in Massachusetts and specializes in firearms law. Don't worry about his style but pay attention to his substance, it will pay you great benefits later.

If you are definitely moving here I strongly suggest that you join this board:

http://www.Northeastshooters.com

Lots of good information and advice there about all things New England.
 
If you have a Class A pistol permit, you can have 10+ rd mags regardless of their date of manufacture. And IIRC, it's not the magazine, it's the gun.

BAD ADVICE! For Massachusetts gun owners.

If Tory sees this you will get a well-deserved public "spanking". You need to review the following section of Massachusetts General Law regarding large-capacity feeding devices:

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-121.htm

This thread over at Northeastshooters.com may also explain things to you a little more clearly:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4944

Bottom line: You can move into Massachusetts with many different types of firearms and be okay but bring in AWB or post-AWB large capacity magazines and you "may" find yourself in trouble. So far no one can point to anyone who has been arrested for this, but it is the law.
 
I still don't get why people put up with the maze of laws and near-constant uncertainty.

Go north, and it's "Not a felon? Okay, you can have what you want!"
 
As a footnote, I read that one problem is that there are so many college students in MA, they come over for 4/5 years, register to vote and all vote Democrat and anti gun...
 
I still don't get why people put up with the maze of laws and near-constant uncertainty.

Go north, and it's "Not a felon? Okay, you can have what you want!"

If Massachusetts citizens had that attitude back in 1775 we could very well still be speaking the Queen's English (or possibly German/Japanese) today and not have any firearms at all!

There are a lot of reasons for people to live in this Commonwealth today that don't have anything to do with their desire to own firearms. So we stay and fight the fight in hopes of reversing it and not allowing it to spread to your state.

If you keep running away from the fight, where will it all end?
 
There are a lot of reasons for people to live in this Commonwealth today that don't have anything to do with their desire to own firearms. So we stay and fight the fight in hopes of reversing it and not allowing it to spread to your state.

Good point, I can understand that. I thank you for that, too.

Although if the democratic nominee for governor there now gets elected, he's not only going to wipe out private gunshow sales and limit you to one gun per month, but he's also promised driver's licenses and tuition for illegal aliens.

In other words, MA will become a socialist hellhole of crime and taxes and collapsing infrastructure.

I sometimes wonder if it's best, at this point, for people to keep fighting there, or for the good ones to get out, let it fail and implode, then move back in and reconstruct it properly. I'd hate to see good people suffer more as it gets worse. At some point, the property vaules will nosedive, too, and they'll be trapped. (Think parts of New Jersey.)

But I applaud you for fighting the good fight. I just wish there'd be some victories.
 
BAD ADVICE! For Massachusetts gun owners.

If Tory sees this you will get a well-deserved public "spanking". You need to review the following section of Massachusetts General Law regarding large-capacity feeding devices:

My bad. I was referring to what you can purchase here in the Commonwealth. With an A permit, you can (for example) buy a Beretta with a large-cap mag.

This is from GOAL's site:

Massachusetts issues both Class A and Class B licenses to carry a firearm. A Class B License to Carry a Firearm will allow you to purchase or possess many handguns, but not large capacity handguns. A Class A license will allow you to purchase or possess handguns, regardless of whether they are considered large capacity. So the type of license you have affects what kind of guns you can buy.

Here’s a simple description of large capacity handguns. A handgun is considered large capacity if:

  • It is in the presence of a large capacity magazine (one that holds more than ten rounds); or
  • if it is on the Large Capacity Weapons Roster.
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned this part yet

If so please forgive me. All the discussion about Class A's and FID's is irrelevant if you pick the wrong town to live in. The power to issue carry permits is almost totally in the hands of the Chief of Police of your town. Some of them, such as Quincy simply won't issue them. Living in MA as a gun owner can be OK if you live in the right town. Otherwise, as someone else mentioned, live in New Hampshire and spend four hours a day commuting.

Good luck!
 
BAD ADVICE redux

If you have a Class A pistol permit, you can have 10+ rd mags regardless of their date of manufacture. And IIRC, it's not the magazine, it's the gun.

An egregiously incorrect assertion. :scrutiny:

As Mr. Price has already called the miscreant out for it, I will simply add my support to his suggestion regarding the northeast shooters site.

Note that FID cards are "SHALL ISSUE"; however, that would not cover your MIA or ANY handguns.

Regarding certain intermeddling out-of-state pontificators who know nothing about Massachusetts laws, their drivel is what you get passing for legal advice in internet forums.
 
Pierods,

Are you planning on residing in Boston proper or in one of the surrounding communities? It makes a big difference because the local chief of police (not the sheriff) has 'discretion' when it comes to who gets and who doesn't get a license to carry. For some chiefs, 'discretion' means that nobody gets a permit.

The Gun Owners Action League (G.O.A.L.) used to have a page where they rated cities and towns as to their willingness to issue licenses to carry (I looked but can't seem to find it now - Maybe you can contact GOAL, they're good people).

Contrary to what many would have you believe, most towns will issue "All Lawful Purposes" permits without problems (provided you're not a felon, etc). I do know that Boston seldom issues unrestricted carry permits. However, once you get west of Rte 495, things are much different.

As far as high cap firearms go, you need a Class A to own any gun with a magazine capacity of over 10 rounds. Whether or not it's high cap depends on the gun and not the magazine. For example, with a Class B, you can walk into a store and buy a PPK but not a Beretta Cheetah. They're both .380's, but the PPK was designed for a 7 round mag, whereas the Beretta was designed with a 13-rounder. You can buy a 1911 because it was designed for a 7-round mag, even though there are high cap drum mags available.

Here's where it gets even more confusing: If you have a Class A, you can own high cap guns, but you can't buy new high capacity magazines. For example, I have a Class A but if I walk into my local gun store and buy that Beretta new, it will come with a 10 round magazine. If my local guy happens to have a "pre-ban" 13-round magazine, I can buy that too but he can't sell me a new 13-rounder. If I go to NH and buy a 13-round mag and bring it back to Mass, I've committed a felony.

In most cases it is impossible to determine whether a mag is really pre-ban, hence the wide availability of so many (ahem... wink, wink) pre-ban magazines in Mass. Some magazines, like some of the ones from Glock and Ruger, are marked. You don't want to get caught with a magazine that can be identified as a post-ban high cap.

You'll notice that I'm talking about the AWB as if it still exists. Well, it does here in Mass.

Your gun problem will be solved if you move to NH - you can practically buy an atom bomb at the hardware store there. If you live in NH and work in Mass, you'll still have to pay Mass income tax (5.75%). There's no income or sales tax in NH, but if you're planning on buying a home, the property taxes are much higher in NH than in Mass (Hey, without income or sales tax they've got to get their money somehow).

I assume that you've already looked at the housing costs around here; if not, be prepared for some serious sticker shock. The prices tend to go down as you move away from the city, but they're still high throughout much of Mass and southeastern NH.

I've lived here my whole life and have an unrestricted Class A so like FPrice, I prefer to stay and fight rather than run away. However, if you're going to move here you should know what you're getting into. The gun laws here are ridiculous.
 
The Gun Owners Action League (G.O.A.L.) used to have a page where they rated cities and towns as to their willingness to issue licenses to carry (I looked but can't seem to find it now - Maybe you can contact GOAL, they're good people).

Packing.org has a list of towns and rates them on the availability of Class A permits. Unfortunately, I live in Salem MA which rarely issues them.

you'll still have to pay Mass income tax (5.75%).

It's actually 5.3% now. Of course, the citizens voted to roll it back to 5% but our "betters" in government refused.

As far as high cap firearms go, you need a Class A to own any gun with a magazine capacity of over 10 rounds. Whether or not it's high cap depends on the gun and not the magazine. For example, with a Class B, you can walk into a store and buy a PPK but not a Beretta Cheetah. They're both .380's, but the PPK was designed for a 7 round mag, whereas the Beretta was designed with a 13-rounder. You can buy a 1911 because it was designed for a 7-round mag, even though there are high cap drum mags available.

Here's where it gets even more confusing: If you have a Class A, you can own high cap guns, but you can't buy new high capacity magazines. For example, I have a Class A but if I walk into my local gun store and buy that Beretta new, it will come with a 10 round magazine. If my local guy happens to have a "pre-ban" 13-round magazine, I can buy that too but he can't sell me a new 13-rounder. If I go to NH and buy a 13-round mag and bring it back to Mass, I've committed a felony.

This is what I was trying to say before but was unable to articulate. My apologies to Tory.
 
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