Had my 2nd Amendment Rights suspended today.

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Well, this sucks.

I am married to a woman who is bipolar. There have been many cases of "minor freakouts", 2 invountary committing to mental hospitals, and 3 suicide attempts since we have been married. (4.5 years).

On 25 OCT, after a long spell of "good days" she freaked out. The previous day we were at the range with friends, went out to dinner, all good. Next morning, she wakes up, yelling at me for "stomping thru the house for an hour" (I had been up 10 minutes). That and other crazy crap. I finally told her, "hey, I have to go to work". I got on my motorcycle and rode to work. Mornings like this were somewhat common at my house. I thought nothing special of it, just thought she was having an "off" day.

1600 on that day, I get called into my Commanding Officers office (I am in the military, Navy LT (O-3), CO is a CDR (O-5)).

I get served with a Military Protective Order, for alleged domestic violence. Various allegations, and most of it off the wall. I have NEVER hit her, and never would.

I comply with the MPO, which was for 14 days. Last Tuesday, she calls my CO wanting the MPO dropped at 1000. She makes an appointment with the CO to get it dropped. At 1030, we get a call from base legal, saying I am being served at 1300 with a Temporary Restraining Order. I am served with, and comply with the order.

This morning was my hearing. Anything she said was taken as gospel from the judge. I was accused of all sorts of crazy crap from killing her cat, to hitting her in the head with a remote control. None of which I did. Every time my lawyer tried to bring up her BiPolar or Manic Depressive diagnosis, her attourney objected, and the judge sustained.

She had a FREE lawyer, counselor, and "expert" in "Battered Spouse Syndrome". ANY odd behavior that my lawyer brought to the court that she had done was written off as "B S S" by her "expert". I was not given an attourney, I had to pay $750 for the defense. Lawyer was with me 4 hours today, so I ended up paying less than his normal rate. Lawyer did his job well, he managed to get the judge, who intitally wanted a permanent RO (which would cost me my career) to issue a 90 day one, with a provision to allow me to handle firearms and ammo in the course of military duties.

But, I had to turn in all firearms to the local sherrif for "Safekeeping". If I have ANY ammo, including a stray 22 round in my truck or other possesion, outside of military duties, I go to jail.

I just think the current family laws in FL are rediculous.

:cuss: :cuss:
 
I am not making a suggestion to you, just telling you what I might consider - divorce - or commitment until someone gets better, that is if the meds are not working. If she is not taking medications to correct the symptoms, then you need to wonder why not. Things like what you described could do a whole lot worse to you than just have your guns taken for safekeeping for a short time, you could wind up in jail or maybe even dead depending on how things go.
 
I feel bad for you, my father was bipolar and had a huge collection of guns. Lets just say it didn't end up well and he is no longer alive. Hang in there. Bipolar disorder is difficult to deal with.
 
That sucks. If I were you I would talk to your CO and find out what led them to write up the MPO first. If they didn't have anything to base it on he may have overstepped his bounds. Anything that you can document about her conditions might also be helpful in defending yourself. When the 90 day restraining order is up do you have to go back to court and if you do will it be the same judge? Can you get any neighbors, people you are stationed with, etc. to vouch for your character? I can't think of anything else right now but if I do I will p.m. you if possible. Have you also talked to the CMC of your unit? I'm sure that he has worked a few MPOs before, maybe he can give you some advice.
 
I had filed for divorce before the hearing, but she had not been served yet.

She knew, but acted suprised, and cried more.

Also, they served me with a "amended" petition asking for $3000+ in support a month. My take home is $4500.
 
In 90 days it expires, unless she wants it renewed.

The Fleet Family Support Center reccomended it to the CO. Based on her claims of "emotional, mental, and physical abuse"

Standards of evidence for and MPO are practically NIL. Accusation is all that is needed.
 
In this day and age, you have to be certain who you are marrying. Better off just not doing it than taking a chance. The prospect of marriage is getting scarrier and scarrier. It can literally turn you into a slave of the judiciary if you marry the wrong person. Sorry to hear it happened to you. Try to reason with her. Did you have a normal loving relationship before all this happened? Maybe with meds she will realize none of that happened.
 
Sorry to hear that.

I had a girlfriend once who said she was abused by her father in some really terrible ways when she was a child. Anyways, I felt bad but after a while I realized she just might be too mentally damaged to stick around with any longer. I really felt bad like I was writting her off, but after hearing things like what you just said, I can't say it wasn't a good thing to do. Its sad, but some people are just messed up.
 
Hawkeye has it. If you want to help crazy women, give to charity. Don't try to help them out yourself. And NEVER marry them!

The second you see the psych pill bottle come out, RUN, don't walk, for the door. Trust me on this one. BOLDLY RUN AWAY.
 
Dated a chick for a while who had been abused. Felt like I was doing the right thing, she seemed ok. Then I started paying attention. What a complete loon. I was so happy I dumped her.

Never marry. Period. You can have all the fun you want while dating. While dating, give the woman as little information about yourself as possible.
 
thumper

It isn't just Florida.

The madness has spread--it is everywhere. :uhoh:

Once upon a time we had a legal standard known as "the presumption of innocence".

From what I see today, that only applies to the truly guilty.

Get a lawyer. Get divorce proceedings underway. Then get a set of orders on the other coast or Sea Duty.

Good luck.
 
Get a good Lawyer who knows how to deal with mental issues in a divorce is all that I can say. You are not at fault. Beware if you fall into the 10-10 rule. Get a divorce fast before you meet the ten years in the military with you being married to her. Half of your retired pension goes to her. If you already have been married 10 years while in the military then You already have my condolences. Do not sign any survivor benefits plan as part of divorce proceedings period if you can help it, like I said get a good lawyer. Don't let the divorce proceedings stall into the 10-10 rule timeline. Her lawyer will go for this. USFSPA was meant for little defencless ladies cast out on their duff after retirement but women turned into bloodsuckers. Servicemen are now getting sapped hard now after getting shot at for 20 years and the wife gets half their pension. Our Liberal Democrats passed the USFSPA law and did the Veterans in.:cuss:
 
Damn, no good deed goes unpunished...

I wish I had some helpful words of encouragement. I'm still trying to get past the "***? did they just do to this guy" reaction.
 
Also, they served me with a "amended" petition asking for $3000+ in support a month. My take home is $4500.

I take HUGE issue with this kind of thing. This is almost 2007 right? In this day and age men and women are equal right? So when 2 people get divorced, both of them should just get jobs and move on. The whole concept of the man having to pay the woman should have stayed in 1955.
 
In this day and age, a prenup(that has been looked at by an attorney) is the only sane thing to do.
 
I feel for you. My sister is bi-polar and she has caused so much heartache for our family. It seems like bi-polars like to go off their meds and cause chaos.
I would get a good lawyer who knows about bi-polar. My sister lies constantly. It seems to be a common trait with bi-polars according to the psychaitrist.
 
Rock and a hard spot

Get out of this and consider yourself lucky it isn't any worse.
My condolences.
I'll agree with the idea that it's not just your state that seems to want to punish you for your wife's condition.
 
I have a friend who is almost expecting this sort of thing to happen to him. He and his bipolar wife have 4 kids now, but he initially married her ONLY because he knocked her up. Big mistake.

She's a real b**ch and treats him like garbage. She's ruined his credit, and lord knows what else. Lately she's been threatening to file false domestic violence charges so that he'll lose his guns. He has many of them, along with thousands of rounds of ammo.

He's set up a network of "safe houses" for his guns (my house is one of them) just in case she makes good on her threats.
 
Marriage is a deathtrap these days. I would no more get married than I would own a chinese SUV.

You dont need to get legally married to be married before god, to have children or to love your spouse. You can get married by a priest and call her your spouse and youre still not legally married. Thank god for the abolition of common law marriage. I am amazed that more people dont follow this path. It is just so much less risky.

If I ever "marry" someone, I am keeping all my bank accounts secret, retaining all my property and any formal connections and obligations will be expressed through contracts and trusts. No one with a law degree has any excuse for getting married. Bequeathing to natural issue only for the win.

The only thing that comes close to pissing me off as much as the gun grabbing TROs is the paternity orders that can't be overturned even when the illigitmacy of the child is revealed beyond any doubt. If I were governor, I swear I would pardon anyone that killed their wife over that. I'm not saying they should do it, but I understand. Being forced to pay for another man's baby after your wife cheats on you is beyond wrong.
 
Get a divorce. You can help her manager her situation better if your not married to her. Good luck.
 
Lately she's been threatening to file false domestic violence charges so that he'll lose his guns

I would absolutely, positively, try to record those statements and make records of such comments so that if she ever tried anything, he could stand up and show hard evidence that she was lying.
 
I know that love is a strange thing, but it sounds like she is going down in flames and taking you along for the ride. Get out as quick as you can. If whe tries to make contact afterwords, I would suggest you get a RO against her. Not because she is a physical threat to you or because you hate her; If she decides she wants to "work things out" later and you refuse, she could become enraged and cause all matter of trouble. I'm sure you've already considered this, but it can't be said enough. Crazy women are no fooling matter. They've ruined many a man's life.

The second you see the psych pill bottle come out, RUN, don't walk, for the door. Trust me on this one. BOLDLY RUN AWAY.

I started dating a girl once who seemed really nice and down to earth. Then I found the methodone:eek: . "Recovering" addict. dropped her like a hot rock and ran. Maybe it sounds cold, but I don't need that kind of drama in my life. The government gives me enough to worry about as it is.
 
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