BATF Gun Room

I have that one

I have one of those liberators it was one my favorite pieces, and I agree it is a shame that they have all of those I agree they should open up the regstry again and let us have at them

Man they could make a killing just auctioning all this off.

Don’t see the need? You say why? I say why not?

We were shooting a friends class 3 Mac 10 this past 4th of July weekend down at our farm. After a few shooters, my mother in law asked “What’s the purpose for that gun?” I asked her, “What was the purpose for the fireworks last night?” I think this is a fair analogy, as neither serves a “practical” purpose, but both are fun ways to celebrate the freedom Americans have or at least had, in some cases. You have to be licensed for the “good” fireworks just as in firearms.

it would seem they are going to distroy all those any day now wouldnt it? can you imagine the uproar: "NFA to release 1000 full auto weapons to public." sure its legal and our right, but the media would explode.

edit: oh yeah, and NOT THE TOMMY GUNS!!!!!!!!!!

If nothing else, the Constitutionally-obtained ones (the two required for certification and those obtained only in unquestionably justified circumstances) should be in a public-trust National Museum of Firearms as grand as any of the Smithsonians...no political commentary allowed, either, just the cold facts of history about each one. The rest should be returned to the public at auction. The only firearms museum in the capitol area is the NRA's.

These should at least all be intact and in full public view to enjoy, not hidden away for only guests of BATFE JBTs to enjoy. And any obtained under circumstances with the least legal question at all should be made available for sale, with perhaps the proceeds earmarked to ONLY be used for such things as buying armor for troops currently deployed, and things like C-legs for the wounded returning veterans. Period.

I would even think that such a museum could have some really valuable history lessons for Americans...perhaps something like a range where people, equipped with hearing protection, could purchase a ticket for the cost of ordnance and then fire things from a replica Brown Bess musket to a current M-16, to see what it was and is really like for the people who fight for their freedoms. It wouldn't be hard to design a Steadicam-derived rig that would let them shoulder a rifle but not let them turn it away from the target, for safety. I think they'd get a healthy dose of respect, AND lose some fear of firearms.

those guys don't seem to be ATF, but visitors, as that is what their badges say. i don't know how they would be able to get access to that room, but whatever. if they truly believe in the 2nd, then they should be ashamed for having their goofy, grinning mugs posted all over the internet in pictures taken in that place. it's not a neato showroom; t's criminal that it even exists. 'freedom-loving civilians' happily visiting such a place seems no different to me than 'art lovers' joyfully visiting a nazi stolen art cache, and having their pictures taken with masterpieces. sickening.

Free country?.....free from whom??

Bet the JBT's get to shoot some of them too.

I don't see what's wrong with the old broomhandle mausers with the stocks on them... C&R aren't they ?

Ruined lives.

I see those racks of guns and think how many ruined lives, bankrupted families, and shattered dreams those firearms represent, and how many promotions, raises, awards and commendations the agents got for destroying those American lives.

These are the people who are eager to arrest, ruin, kill, or lock up any one of us in here.

As one agent said after the Davidian Raid: "Just good people trying to do their jobs."

The BATFE should be abolished. Instead, Bush has given them a big new building and a fat budget and told them to get after us.

They were given the "e" in 2002, and moved from the Treasury to Justice, allowing them access to millions more records without question.

The ATF: A greater hive of scum and villainy you will never find.

This makes me SICK

you know these guys got to be NAZI's they can't be true americans i don't know anyone would work for these guys and take some one guns for just anything like these guys do .And you just know it just a matter of time for they start coming for your guns its going to get worse .I seen mp40's bars and stens in that bunch of stolen guns . NOW are there any reason WHY they just can't convert them all to legal counter part and just sale them back to the public. For those people saying they don't see why or should not have these guns what would you say if some one says that about your stuff you like or love sounds like to me that you people are for gun control and shouldn't be allowed to be part of any gun forum but thats just my opinion . sorry but i get a little upset when they let idiots have guns thats why the rest of us gotta pay for there mistakes

Why all the sickness, digust, and disdain for the ATF? One of the guys had a FN shirt on- I'm guessing he's a gun guy and would love to play with those toys too.

The ATF doesn't make the rules that put those firearms there, its every citizen in this country who ever voted for an antigun politician who did. The ATF doesn't make the rules, they enforce the laws that elected representatives of the people make.

Be thankful that at least these fine firearms ar ebeing preserved somewhere instead of being chopped up as Fat Teddy would have them do if he had his way.

If you want your children and grandchildren to gawk at such unattainable firearms such as remington 700s (sniper rifles you know), wincheter 94s (cop killer armor piercing bullet repeater), ARs, AKs, Garands, handguns, pump and semiauto shotguns, and anything else more powerful than a Daisy Red Rider 50 years from now, keep voting for Dummycrats, Rhinos and other flaovers of socialists.

I want to know where the FAMAS came from. I wasent aware any where transferable.

I wonder how many guns are "misplaced" at the BATFE gun room each year?

i'd say a lot of them were misplaced over the years .

Why all the sickness, digust, and disdain for the ATF? One of the guys had a FN shirt on- I'm guessing he's a gun guy and would love to play with those toys too.

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Yes, and they can go and confiscate any they want! Why, they even have lists of whom they can confiscate them from, in registry states!

The ATF doesn't make the rules that put those firearms there, its every citizen in this country who ever voted for an antigun politician who did. The ATF doesn't make the rules, they enforce the laws that elected representatives of the people make.

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At the risk of Godwin's law, I'd say that's like saying that an SS trooper wasn't responsible for their actions, that it was Hitler's fault or the German people who put him in power. He gave the directives, but people signed up and proudly stomped around wearing the lightning bolt, being vicious thugs for him. Same with ATF agents. Ever see them hassling law-abiding purchasers and dealers at shows?

"For those people saying they don't see why or should not have these guns what would you say if some one says that about your stuff you like or love sounds like to me that you people are for gun control and shouldn't be allowed to be part of any gun forum but thats just my opinion."

What good is preaching to the choir? Everyone is welcome.

Auction the guns off? No, the money will just go to the same gov that took them, like rewarding a theif by providing them with a fence. How about distribution to the states for use in the militias (along with plenty of training for anyone who shows up ).

A good amount of those weapons are low SNs, one of a kinds, oddballs, stuff that has sat in vaults for years amongst the new stuff.

Yeesh, did anyone else see the sawed-off shotgun and think either

a) "...and this here is the gun that started the Randy Weaver debacle!"

or

b) "People always wanna measure from the back of the chamber when they cut down a shotgun..."


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God I would love one of those broom handle mausers. I always wanted one. This is a very sad and sick post to see our country's government take away our right to bear arms whatever type and size they are. But it needs to be shown so that those that are uneducated about it are educated. YOU BATFE

Yes, and they can go and confiscate any they want! Why, they even have lists of whom they can confiscate them from, in registry states!

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Blame the politicians you vote for then, they are the ones who give the ATF their powers.

At the risk of Godwin's law, I'd say that's like saying that an SS trooper wasn't responsible for their actions, that it was Hitler's fault or the German people who put him in power. He gave the directives, but people signed up and proudly stomped around wearing the lightning bolt, being vicious thugs for him.

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That can be applied to any arm of Law Enforcement, examples of abuse exist in all agencies, but it does not mean that because someone carries a badge they are some sort of stormtrooper.

The ATF doesn't make the rules that put those firearms there, its every citizen in this country who ever voted for an antigun politician who did. The ATF doesn't make the rules, they enforce the laws that elected representatives of the people make.

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Thats not entirely true.

BATFE can create new firearms laws out of thin air pretty much any time they want since their "department policies" have the effective force of law.


For example, they could decide tomorrow that the Saiga 12 shotgun has no "sporting purpose" and ban its import and even force it onto the NFA registry as a "destructive device".

So ya'll find it implausible that the ATFE might have a need for a reference library of fireamrs?

BATFE can create new firearms laws out of thin air pretty much any time they want since their "department policies" have the effective force of law.


For example, they could decide tomorrow that the Saiga 12 shotgun has no "sporting purpose" and ban its import and even force it onto the NFA registry as a "destructive device".

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And who exactly created the ATF and granted them powers? They certainly didn't spring from a vacuum. Powers given to them can also be taken away.