Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine

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I have a Rock-Ola Carbine, Type 2. Nice shooter. I like it a lot. I need more.

I'm contemplating picking up a new one, Auto Ordnance, basically type 1 sights (flip up, no slide, no windage) with walnut furniture for ~ $650-ish.

I might be able to beat the price, but that's not the question.

Anyone out there with one of the new Auto Ordnance carbines?

What can you tell me about it?
 
I have no experience with them, nor do I intend to, considering the cost. You can get a good condition, real M1 Carbine for the same price, and it will continue to increase in value over the years, unlike the Auto-Ordnance.

If you want a like-new M1 Carbine, I think you should consider one of the restored M1 Carbines by Miltech. They are really beautiful guns.
 
I bought new a Kahr M1 .30 carbine had some stall on old off brand ammo, new ammo worked fine.Called
Kahr they sent a pre-paid pick up kept it 5-6 weeks returned with new barrel and polished throat.No charge to me.
What a great little rifle handy with folding stock and 15-30rd mags.With soft points from Georgia Arms ( FMJ 50rds = $10.00 SP 50rds =$ 13.50 ) the carbine is a powerfull HD rifle with little recoil.
I liked the M1.30 carbine so I bought another, a National Ord, have it set up as a scout rifle bottom of picture.
 

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There's one in one of my local shops that's been calling to me, but it's the birch stock and I'm holding out for walnut. I've had a good look at it (not torn it down or anything, but gone over it in the shop) and it seems like a perfectly solid product. On the other hand, MSRP is too close to what GI carbines run for me to consider paying it, so I'm also holding out for a better price on one.
 
Universal?

A Store near me has three Carbines on the rack and two on the wall.

The two on the wall are both classic (Inland & IBM), all original, service grade or better. The owner is a Carbine fan, and strips all the ones he gets in, verifies the parts, checks barrel and action, prices them accordingly.

Of the ones on the rack, one is an original National Postal Meter, one is a Plainfield (non-mil-spec), and one is a new Auto Ordnance (Kahr) in walnut.

True enough, the Plainfield is the lowest price, but I want to stay with the mil-spec types. Universal is another non-mil-spec, along with Iver Johnson.

That leaves me with the Postal and the AO/Kahr (unless I suddenly decide I'm rich).

The all-original ones are priced well above the AO/Kahr, so I thought I'd fish around and see if I could find someone who has the AO/Kahr and pick their brains.
 
You might want to look around for carbine from National Ordnance. From what I understand back in the 60's or 70's NO made their own recievers and used surplus GI parts to flesh them out. I've seen several now for sale in the sub $300 range - might be worth considering if you can find one.
 
I have one and like it pretty well. Shoots fine with an occasional FTF - but no more often than a friends Inland. I bought it because the really nice looking milsurps cost more than the AO.
No complaints.
 
Had a chance to shoot one of the new Kahrs a while back, nice rifle. Accurate, light, good trigger and sights. Was planning on buying one, until I lucked onto a Inland in good shape for a good price.
 
Jus got back form a gun show. Looked at three M1's, two folding stock $2K-$3K each and one that looked brand new, parkerized. Did not say AO or Kahr but it was $750.

I really like the AO ones and would buy one in the $500 range. They are so lite and handy. Much more so than an SKS, an AK or even and AR. I looked at those also.

tjg
 
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I have one, all walnut, no metal handguards, nice walnut, lists at $705 got it for $624 with all taxes etc

I am pleased with fit and function. A real fun gun I will be proud to offer my sons along with the rest of my plunder

I dunno why this dark horse is kept hidden in the stables, only 2 gunrags reviewed it.

Yodar
 
AO = Mil-Spec?

According to some vendors that do after-market accessories (Like UltiMAK), their product
Fits G.I. pattern M1 Carbines.
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and further
Will not fit, and cannot be modified to fit, any Carbines manufactured under the name "Universal" and some Carbines made by Plainfield.
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so they recommend
it is advised that you trade it for a G.I. pattern carbine. Either a 1940's vintage or the more recent production IAI, or the new Auto Ordnance Carbines will perform better, and will be compatible with all after-market stocks and accessories.
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So, yes, I believe the AO/Kahr is mil-spec.
 
accuracy

I shot mine at about 75 feet and it hit where I pointed with factory ammo

yodar
 
Are there any quantifyable accuracy reports, how many MOA one is capable of, or even can it consistantly hit a (grounded) clay pigeon at 100 yards, etc?
 
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Mine will do minute of man on steel chest plates with decent consistency out to 200-225 meters, if I do my job (mine has the later adjustable sight, though, which may be notable in this discussion but which seems to be pretty common on carbines in the "shooter" price range, rather than collectibles). I've tried pushing it out to 300-350 and not had any luck -- I think the round is really at its limits out there, but it may just be me. Never tried putting it on a rest and grouping it in closer, but it does pretty reasonable POI/POA match up at CQB sort of ranges. All in all, it is not a sniper rifle, nor even an AR-15/M16/M4, but it's a fun shooter and accurate enough for a combat long gun (not bad for being made in June of '44, I think).
 
American Rifleman wrote them up a few issues back, but unfortunately I don't have it handy to post the group sizes they got with the different loads they test fired. I seem to recall it performed fairly well though.
 
I've had one for a little over a year now. Mine has the flip-type rear sight, and a wood heat shield. I think I paid about $550 for it (NIB). The rear sight on mine was a little loose in the dovetail, so I secured it with a bit of loctite, and that fixed the problem. It's been 100% reliable through about 1500 rounds of Winchester's FMJ ammo, using a couple of USGI 15rd mags.


nero
 
I've had mine since Jan 2005, so closing in on 2 years. Bought it a bit impetuously, after reading good reviews. At the time I was too naive to consider a real G.I. But, absolutely no regrets. First day at an indoor range, before I even sighted in, I shot this standing, offhand at 25 yards. I do better now, of course.

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Only initial problem was a lousy Kahr/AO mag. They replaced it promptly. I've also used surplus G.I. mags with no problems.

Oh, and a friend gave me a surplus stock to put on it. Since then I've added an Ultimak, but usually shoot with open sights.

surplus stock (top)
original birtch stock (bottom)
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I purchased a Kahr M1 in June of this year and am quite pleased. The only complaint is that it will fire when in safe. I have yet to send it back to Kahr for repair but it won't be a problem.

They're sweet looking and as accurate as an M1 Carbine can get!
 
I understand that the new AO rifles do not have the metal hand guard anymore...all wood, either walnut or birch.

Frandy...that surplus stock looks really nice!
 
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