Could this become a Waco/Ruby Ridge? Happening RIGHT NOW!

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Local here, in Concord, NH...I'd keep an eye on this! Are they going to raid, negotiate or what? The guy's off the grid, so there's nothing they can shut off... and the house has eight-inch cement walls, plus there's armed supporters inside.

Couple guilty on all counts in tax evasion trial

By PHILIP ELLIOTT
Associated Press Writer
44 minutes ago

CONCORD – A federal jury found a Plainfield couple guilty Thursday of failing to pay their federal income taxes for a decade - but only the wife was in court.

The jury continued deliberations over whether Elaine and Ed Brown should lose their home, and sentencing was expected later in the day.

Ed Brown stopped attending court midway through the trial. He has holed up with armed supporters in the couple's cement-walled house and has said he will defend himself against capture if necessary.

A man who answered the telephone at the Browns' house Thursday afternoon said Ed Brown could not come to the phone, but had expected a guilty verdict.

"He's here at the house, and he's not leaving of his own free will," said the man, who identified himself only as Bernie. He said Brown had not spoken with his wife since learning of the jury's decision.

U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said Wednesday he had no plans for an immediate confrontation and did not want to escalate the situation. He was not immediately available for comment Thursday.

The Browns, who were charged with conspiring to evade taxes, conspiring to disguise large financial transactions and disguising large transactions, maintained there was no law requiring them to pay federal income taxes.

Elaine Brown, a dentist who earned most of the couple's income, attended proceedings and accepted a court-appointed attorney to help her. She considered, then rejected a plea bargain earlier this week.

She testified she had tried to work out a payment plan with the Internal Revenue Service in the early 1990s after her tax bill significantly exceeded her estimates one year, the Concord Monitor reported.

She said the IRS didn't respond for months, then demanded that she pay her bill in full, plus interest and penalties, even though she had made payments. She said she eventually refused to pay when she later learned of an additional fine for $3,300 and the money was seized from her bank account.

Ed Brown, a retired exterminator, stayed home to protest a system he said had already convicted him and a media he said was in search of soundbites over truth.

"Most Americans would cower and cringe and raise their hands and surrender like a good little slave," he told reporters at his home this week.

"I won't. Under no circumstances. I do not tolerate cowardliness, oppression, bulliness, and I certainly don't tolerate a federal agency that has absolutely zero jurisdiction in my state, never mind in my county, in my town."

During the past few decades, Brown has claimed membership in several anti-government and militia groups including the Constitution Rangers of the Continental Congress of 1777, the Constitution Defense Militia and the UnAmerican Activities Investigations Commission, which he founded.

Also from a few hours ago:

Several supporters -- including one who brought a gun -- have already come to his aid, vowing they will stand guard against government agents who would come for Brown.

"If they're coming, we will do what we've got to do," said John Miller of Farmington, one of about a half-dozen supporters at Browns' house yesterday.
 
Did they actually not pay tax at all, or did they evade taxation by lying on their returns? I curious because usually neither lead to a prison centence now as the IRS is trying to better their rep and usually hands out fines now and even has programs for those who have tax problems....I wonder how far this will go.....hope Janet Reno gets nowhere near a microphone! The guy is DOOMED! She is a bloodthirsty wench!
 
Waco? Ruby Ridge?

Not even.

The Feds lied like cheap carpets to find a reason to attack the Branch Davidians. Ruby Ridge was a a similar hose out for the supposed purpose of serving a warrant for failure to appear. In both these cases the victims were minding their own business when the Law came down on them.

This is entirely different. A guy panics, skips out on his own trial (leaving his wife to face the music) and holes up with his guns. Odds are if he hadn't been an idiot he could have avoided the trial and probably would have just ended up paying the back taxes plus fines.

I just hope the police can winkle him out of his shell without anyone getting hurt.
 
Manedwolf: Some aspects are the same as wacko, but there are more differences than similarities IMHO. And YES...they have to make an example of him. I cant even fathom how much money the government would lose if they let this one slip.
 
Sounds like he should have hired a tax attorney to negotiate with the IRS and make sure they didn't get screwed around. It may be too late now.
 
I think it will be peaceful

I think that it will be peaceful. Every article I have read has an official saying something sensible like "It's not like he is a dangerous felon. He didn't pay his taxes. Lets keep it in perspective".

I am interested to see what they will do, but I imagine something like an embargo. No one goes in, and if he leaves he will be arrested.
 
It's just taxes,

but yeah, now that he made a federal case out of it (pun intended), they probably won't roll over and go away. They'll probably just starve him out. Cut off the water, unless he has a well. The OP said he's off the grid, so must be generating his own power. If so, that takes fuel. Not enough sun this time of year in New Hampshire to go solar. How much fuel does he have? Sooner or later, he'll get tired and surrender. The feds can rotate his keepers. And all those friends he has in there with him are gonna eat his food stash that much sooner.

If the IRS only popped them for a $3,300 fine as the article states, then the amount they were originally fighting over wasn't that much to begin with. I know, I know, it ain't chump change to most of us. But to them, not necessarily so. Another article, here: http://www.comcast.net/news/national/index.jsp?cat=DOMESTIC&fn=/2007/01/18/565344.html, said she's a dentist. Also, the original article says they were were charged with conspiring to hide large income transactions so as not to pay taxes. Now, I work hard, as many of you do, and I pay my fair share. Personally I resent it when someone, especially someone who can well afford to pay the tax, tries to hide the income and not pay their fair share. That puts the burden back on all of us.

I'm not wishing ill on anyone, but I do think he's dug himself into a really big pile and has no one to blame but himself.

And, to answer the original question: No, it won't be another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
 
If the IRS only popped them for a $3,300 fine as the article states, then the amount they were originally fighting over wasn't that much to begin with.

It sounded like that was back in the 90's, then just flat out quit paying since then. If she is a dentist, then they could owe a HUGE amount. Not to mention it states there were a few large transaction they attempted to cover up.
 
Taxes

"The gov is gonna wipe the floor with this guy, and make it look like he's a kook."
I think he has already made himself out to be a kook, he doesnt need any help.
 
I was stupid a long time ago, and didn't file for 4 years. They offered me a payment plan, and to waive the penalties to clear it up.

This guy has gone too far.

The JBT's are polishing their MP5's.
 
What a man...sends his wife to fight the court battle, while he hides at home...taxes suck, but we all have to pay them...just another "gun toting wacko" (more media fodder)screwing things up for the rest of us.

"From my cold dead hands" C.H. :cool:
 
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The JBT's are polishing their MP5's.
Their little MP5 squirt guns won't save them from getting their heads blown off by a rifle, assuming that's what he has. And they know it. They'd be awfully stupid to just kick in his door, use a flash-bang, and try to run in there. He's probably behind cover, waiting with his rifle.

The first thing they'll do is gas him. If he has a mask, then that won't work right away. But if he doesn't have one, then gassing him will probably make him surrender.

In any event, I salute this man's courage and am a little disappointed in those on this thread who are calling him names. He's exactly right about this:

"Most Americans would cower and cringe and raise their hands and surrender like a good little slave," he told reporters at his home this week.
If more Americans were like him, we'd still have a free country.
 
I wish I had his Guts and Determination

I respect his stance. When I see how distant Government has become, I too would like to find a way to stop paying taxes. Who is supposed to audit the Government? I doubt they have been doing their job, whoever they are!
 
If the IRS only popped them for a $3,300 fine as the article states, then the amount they were originally fighting over wasn't that much to begin with. I know, I know, it ain't chump change to most of us. But to them, not necessarily so. Another article, here: http://www.comcast.net/news/national...18/565344.html, said she's a dentist.

Yeah, pretty sad they let it get to this point. She had a high paying job and could've easily paid that if they'd taken care of it back in the day. The husband sounds like the real kook. Now they're going to die in a blaze of gunfire and flash bangs.
 
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