Trigger Locks or gunsafe for nightstand?
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10-Ring
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I use a small safe. IT will open easier & faster than trying to undo a trigger lock.
Geronimo45
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"IT will open easier & faster than trying to undo a trigger lock."
Safer, too.
Safer, too.
http://www.handgunsafe.com/safes.htm
They're alot pricier than some of the other stuff on the market but I think they're built much better too.
They're alot pricier than some of the other stuff on the market but I think they're built much better too.
Mad Chemist
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Trigger locks = BAD!
Safe = GOOD!
Safe = GOOD!
I have a two shelf small electronic safe. I had to cut the speaker wire to keep it from beeping.
Stack-on finally figured out that making noise might not be a good idea so they have a new model that allows you to turn the beep off.
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/strong_box_safes/ps-515.html
The safe also has a key backup. The backup keys are locked in my other safe... Before I got the other safe, the backup key was at my Dad's house. Kids...
$2 worth of office carpet from Home Depot installed very easily and makes for a great safe padding.
Stack-on finally figured out that making noise might not be a good idea so they have a new model that allows you to turn the beep off.
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/strong_box_safes/ps-515.html
The safe also has a key backup. The backup keys are locked in my other safe... Before I got the other safe, the backup key was at my Dad's house. Kids...
$2 worth of office carpet from Home Depot installed very easily and makes for a great safe padding.
bobhaverford
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Gun safe all the way. I can get into mine in a jiffy and the gun's not laying around. Mine is about 20 years old. Uses the push button combination for access and you can easily open it in the dead of night.
Personally, don't like trigger locks and don't like the idea of a loaded gun sitting around in front of my kids.
Personally, don't like trigger locks and don't like the idea of a loaded gun sitting around in front of my kids.
Ops Officer
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Soybomb, I have the same safe. It holds three or four handguns. I found it on sale at considerable discount at a show last year. It had a little exterior wear from handling at shows. What I found attractive is quality of hardware and reliability. As soon as I learned it had a Simplex mechanical lock and a heavy spring, I bought it. The Defense Department has used Simplex for many, many years of reliable use. I bought it with confidence. It doesn't require fine motor skills to operate and the door pops open instantly with clear access to the safe interior.
I would not consider a trigger lock for home defense as well as child protection. You don't want to fiddle with a lock under high stress when you need the gun. A small, quality safe puts your handgun out of sight and out of mind of those who might want to play with a gun, yet is instantly available.
I would not consider a trigger lock for home defense as well as child protection. You don't want to fiddle with a lock under high stress when you need the gun. A small, quality safe puts your handgun out of sight and out of mind of those who might want to play with a gun, yet is instantly available.
Safe
No doubt safe. For an unexpensive safe check this one:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2221464
The benefit of these types of safe is that there are four keys that need to be pressed in a selected by you sequence which opens the safe pretty fast. If you practice a little it becomes almost a habit.
Another great idea is the biometric safe which reads the print of your thumb, however, I read stories about not working all the time which is problem.
No doubt safe. For an unexpensive safe check this one:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2221464
The benefit of these types of safe is that there are four keys that need to be pressed in a selected by you sequence which opens the safe pretty fast. If you practice a little it becomes almost a habit.
Another great idea is the biometric safe which reads the print of your thumb, however, I read stories about not working all the time which is problem.
I have this one:
http://www.gunvaultsafe.com/GV2000C-DLX.html
I keep it plugged into a 350va UPS unit in case of power failure so the batteries I put in will last longer. I open it at night and close it in the morning.
http://www.gunvaultsafe.com/GV2000C-DLX.html
I keep it plugged into a 350va UPS unit in case of power failure so the batteries I put in will last longer. I open it at night and close it in the morning.
Anna's Dad
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+1 on the Gun Vault. Really fast access. The buttons are in recessed finger grooves so you can easily find them without light. You can also require multiple buttons be pressed simultaneously for greater security.
I didn't buy the deluxe so mine is only battery power. I open it twice a day on average and I'm still on the original set of batteries two years later!
Really great product!
I didn't buy the deluxe so mine is only battery power. I open it twice a day on average and I'm still on the original set of batteries two years later!
Really great product!
I have one of each of these, and for quick access plus keeping kids out, they both work fine.
I like that this one shows if it's been tampered with, and has a delay when multiple failed attempts are made.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5402814
I like this one because it has no batteries to wear out.
http://handgunsafe.com/safes.htm
The one from handgunsafe.com is the only quick-access handgun safe that I've seen that couldn't be pried open with a large screwdriver. It's 3/16 steel, and very sturdy. The others I've seen are 16-20 gauge steel, which would take very little to pry apart.
The key backup is a necessity for an electronic lock, but I must say that it's a serious weakness as well. Most of these locks are trivial to pick. Sentry has some 4-bitted keys that are much better in this respect. Picking is only a concern where someone might gain access and you not know about it, but it's something to keep in mind.
Having said all that, any of the quick-access handgun safes would be better than a trigger lock.
I like that this one shows if it's been tampered with, and has a delay when multiple failed attempts are made.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5402814
I like this one because it has no batteries to wear out.
http://handgunsafe.com/safes.htm
The one from handgunsafe.com is the only quick-access handgun safe that I've seen that couldn't be pried open with a large screwdriver. It's 3/16 steel, and very sturdy. The others I've seen are 16-20 gauge steel, which would take very little to pry apart.
The key backup is a necessity for an electronic lock, but I must say that it's a serious weakness as well. Most of these locks are trivial to pick. Sentry has some 4-bitted keys that are much better in this respect. Picking is only a concern where someone might gain access and you not know about it, but it's something to keep in mind.
Having said all that, any of the quick-access handgun safes would be better than a trigger lock.
AlaskaErik
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I also have the Gun Vault. I'm still on my original set of batteries and I've had it over three years now. It has a lock out feature that will disable the lock for 15 minutes if the kids try to open it and use the wrong code more than three times. You can key it open if you have to.
MPanova
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Do those first 2 wal-mart safes flip open with some sort of spring assistence?
ZeSpectre
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trigger locks are a really bad joke.
Hard to get on
Hard to get off
Several types would still allow a gun to discharge
Essentially trigger locks violate "keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot" by having something that messes with the trigger.
Get a safe, RSC, or lockbox of some kind.
Hard to get on
Hard to get off
Several types would still allow a gun to discharge
Essentially trigger locks violate "keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot" by having something that messes with the trigger.
Get a safe, RSC, or lockbox of some kind.
Either one will get you or your family killed when the front door gets kicked in at 0300. I'd bet money no one on this forum can be awakened from a deep sleep by a crashing door and swift, violent intruder, head dulled by sleep, heart in your ears and eyes unseeing in the dark, and still operate a safe or lock box in the precious few breaths you have before some huge guy pops your head open with a baseball bat. Your family is just his candy after that.
Nights- loaded on the nightstand.
Days- on your person or locked in that lock box.
Always- teach your children. Gain their respect for your guns by taking them to the range or hills and let them watch from a small yet safe distance what a bullet will do to a gallon jug of colored water. If they are old enough, let them shoot a shot. Nothing is so sweet as forbidden fruit.
Nights- loaded on the nightstand.
Days- on your person or locked in that lock box.
Always- teach your children. Gain their respect for your guns by taking them to the range or hills and let them watch from a small yet safe distance what a bullet will do to a gallon jug of colored water. If they are old enough, let them shoot a shot. Nothing is so sweet as forbidden fruit.
MPanova
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I agree. I do not have any kids so mine stay cocked and ready on the night stand during the night. On me during the day even if I am at home and just laying around. You never know when you might be watching TV in the living room and someone kicks the door in, your weapon on the night stand will not help you then. Better to have it on you. If you have kids old enough to understand not to mess with the guns then you can leave then on the nightstand at night. If they are not old enough to understand not to pick them up but still old enough to wonder around the house, do what my dad did. Get a pistol that is very hard to rack the slide on so it takes an adult or much older kid to rack the slide. Then leave it in condition 3
1911 guy
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safe.
My wife keeps her handgun in a small safe beside the bed. I work night shift and we have a young son. The safe is locked during the day, unlocked but lid closed at night.
The real problem with a trigger lock is it really doesn't secure the weapon, it just renders it inoperable. There is nothing to prevent an inquisitive six year old from wandering off with it, even if it is trigger locked. With children around, SECURE your firearms.
My wife keeps her handgun in a small safe beside the bed. I work night shift and we have a young son. The safe is locked during the day, unlocked but lid closed at night.
The real problem with a trigger lock is it really doesn't secure the weapon, it just renders it inoperable. There is nothing to prevent an inquisitive six year old from wandering off with it, even if it is trigger locked. With children around, SECURE your firearms.
1KPerDay
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Nooooooooooo. Bought one. Only opened about 1/3 of the time, and never when my thumb was sweaty or I was angry (because it wouldn't open)... which would likely be the conditions if I ever had to open it at night when someone was breaking into my house.
No fingerprint safes for me until the next century.:banghead:
bobhaverford
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I've got an old Palmer gun safe and it is FANTASTIC!! No longer made, but it looks as though http://handgunsafe.com/safes.htm make nearly identical safes with the same Simplex locking mechanism which, IMO, cannot currently be beat for security and accessibility.
And yes, I can get to my gun very quickly. I practice every couple of months opening it with my eyes closed. The Simplex locks are designed to be opened in the dark with only tactile stimuli. We've got dogs who are our early warning system which will give me plenty of time under nearly all scenarios. If I don't have enough time, well, I'm just SOL.
And yes, I can get to my gun very quickly. I practice every couple of months opening it with my eyes closed. The Simplex locks are designed to be opened in the dark with only tactile stimuli. We've got dogs who are our early warning system which will give me plenty of time under nearly all scenarios. If I don't have enough time, well, I'm just SOL.
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