And so it starts ... HR 1022 ... to Reauthorize Fed AW Ban

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So, are you gonna mail 'em back about it?

McCarthy does this a lot. It's her pet project.

She's still disturbed that a nutjob was able to get on a train full of unarmed passengers and blast away at will.

Yup. Logic rulez...
 
I just don't see any political will to get this thing passed. 2007 is way different than 1994. Nobody except us pro-gunners even care about gun control laws anymore, so there's no political reason for the 'Rats to pass this. I predict that the bill will be tabled in committee and die.
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I'm not so sure of that. The anti sentiment is alive and well here in WI. In fact a couple of days ago there was a big blazee on WTMJ about straw purchases. For days before it aired there were bleeding heart commercials on every radio station complaining about "how unbelievably easy it is to buy a gun in WI." :barf:
 
I'm not so sure of that. The anti sentiment is alive and well here in WI. In fact a couple of days ago there was a big blazee on WTMJ about straw purchases. For days before it aired there were bleeding heart commercials on every radio station complaining about "how unbelievably easy it is to buy a gun in WI."
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Certain elements in the media will always be biased against guns, but recent polls show public support for new gun control laws is at its lowest point in decades.
 
But, at this point, public support is moot. It is what the representatives the pubic chose do at this point that matters.

While the public may not be in support of new gun laws in an active manner, the majority of your average non-gun-owning american will not care if they do, as long as their representatives and the MSM tell them it is "reasonable" and "in the public interest" or "for the children".

Unfortunatley, a good number of gun owners are in that group as well..
 
The bill is listed as being,"H.R. 1022: To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes."

Other purposes, dont you just love how precise politics are? We should all get coffe cans and print "donate money for lost puppies AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES" then place the cans in local gas stations etc. Then donate any money recieved to the NRA under the "Other purposes".
 
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WHO CARES what he used? It was 3 dead + suicide.

I have never heard of a mass murder where the gunman shot more than 3 or 4 people in rapid succession, which is just as easy to do with a pump-action shotgun as with a so-called "assault weapon."
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But it looks so scary :rolleyes: . Thats what its all about in the end, looks. Its a easy target for lazy politicians to attack so they can appear to be doing something for the good of the people without having to dirty their hands going after the real problems in society. And the Brady crowd buys it hook, line, and sinker.
 
Originally Posted by JLelli:
Certain elements in the media will always be biased against guns, but recent polls show public support for new gun control laws is at its lowest point in decades.
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Do you have any links to these polls or any source for this statement?
 
She claims that the weapons are designed to just hit and kill as many targets as possible as quickly as possible and have no self-defense value whatsoever.

That's odd, because the new AR-15's I'm looking to buy are for home-defense.

But I guess subconsciously I was planning to go on a killing spree. Thanks Mrs. McCarthy for straightening me out! Wow.... that could have been bad had I acted upon real knowledge rather than the B.S. that you're spewing.
 
CHECK OUT THE CONSTITUTION PARTY

As I stated in an another thread; ANY FEDERAL FIREARMS REGULATIONS = UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I hear people constantly talking about how certain arms are or are not used for hunting, sport shooting, or home defense; NONE OF THESE ACTIVITIES WERE THE MAIN POINT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT.

The Founders knew that the true enemy to freedom is a government; ANY GOVERNMENT. This includes ours, and the writers of the Constitution knew that this was likely going to be the case at some point down the road. It absolutely DOES NOT MATTER what the arms are used for; only that the people can have the same personal arms that any infantry soldier would use to defend their country from any enemies, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.

The Founders were deathly afraid of any central government, especially one with a standing army under it's control. They were from a place where any civil insurrection would be dealt with by military personnel, and where the people had a snowball's chance in hell of defeating that army. They did not want that capability to be presented to the government here.

Letting the government regulate firearms is like allowing a local fuel station to decide whether or not any new fuel stations may be built in that area; it is allowing the inmates to run the asylum. These politicians sit there in their insulated ruling class positions and dictate whether or not we should be ALLOWED to have the ability to defend against a corrupt government. Does anyone else find anything wrong with that?

One of our esteemed "reps" was talking the other day about certain weapons having no sporting purpose and asking whether a hunter needs a machine gun to kill a deer. It's not about killing a deer; in the Founder's view it is about having the CAPABILITY of defending ourselves from a government run by people like her.

This whole 2nd Amendment thing (along with many other rights such as religious freedom and freedom of speech) has been perverted for so long that it is probably too late to expect a political party to repeal any of this garbage.

What are our options? According to the Founders we should have had another several revolutions in the last 100 years. Is that feasible today?

Military coup? They have sworn an oath to the Constitution, not the government or it's ruling elite. But then the power lies with a military organization and all it takes is a few bad seeds to throw the whole Constitution out the window.

I'd be interested in hearing from others what real actions can be taken about our rights. If we leave it to the current political parties we are surely doomed; they care not what is good for the country or it's people. To them it is all about power and their well-being.

I ran across this party the other day; they appear to be gaining steam across the nation. Their platform is excellent.

http://www.constitutionparty.org/

Any responses?
 
The Libertarian party is the best party for gun owners.

The Constitution party is to Christian based for me. I dont like their views in regards to pornography, abortion, or gays. In general I feel that they want to impose Christian values on the country when the majority of the country does not want them.
 
If you support using the law to enforce Christian morals, the "Constitution Party" (should be named the "Conservative Christian Party") is for you. If you don't, the Constitution Party is nauseating.

Thats what its all about in the end, looks.
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If we can reframe the debate in terms of fear, and explain to people why they shouldn't be (more) afraid of guns that have silencers, bayonets, are black, or carry 30 rounds, then maybe we have a chance?
 
If this gets to the floor (I doubt the Dems are that stupid), it'll be a good time for all the Dems who claimed they were pro-gun in the last election to put their money where their mouths are:
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:uhoh:

I have one in my district all my friends swore he was Pro-Gun Shuler, now we'll see!!:barf:
 
Well, I did the exact opposite of what the antis wanted. Yesterday, I went in and bought a brand new Sig 226R that comes with two 15 round magazines. Next on my shopping list is either a new 1911 or an M4gery to piss off the antis. I was already planning on making these purchases, but this has hastened the time frame.
 
Especially if you like open borders

Take away the incentive to cross, and you won't have to worry about border crossers.

(end the WOD, welfare,etc)

Look at the whole platform.


Or just keep voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
Here is the text in a hopefully more readable form.

A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other
purposes.

1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-
2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

3 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
4 This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Assault Weapons Ban
5 and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007’’.

6 SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED
7 CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO AS-
8 SAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AM-
9 MUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

10 (a) REINSTATEMENT OF PROVISIONS WHOLLY RE-
11 PEALED.—Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a),
2
1 subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922,
2 and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18,
3 United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal
4 made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control
5 and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted
6 into law.

7 (b) REINSTATEMENT OF PROVISIONS PARTIALLY RE-
8 PEALED.—Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is
109 amended— (1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subpara-
11 graph (B) and inserting the following:
12 ‘‘(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f),
13 (k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;’’; and
14 (2) in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause
15 (i) and inserting the following:
16 ‘‘(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled
17 shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the per-
18 son shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of
19 not less than 10 years; or’’.

20 SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

21 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 921(a)(30) of title 18,
22 United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act,
23 is amended to read as follows:

24 ‘‘(30) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’
25 means any of the following:

1 ‘‘(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates
2 thereof:
3 ‘‘(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK–47, AK–74,
4 ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA
5 85, SA 93, VEPR;
6 ‘‘(ii) AR–10;
7 ‘‘(iii) AR–15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite
8 M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
9 ‘‘(iv) AR70;
10 ‘‘(v) Calico Liberty;
11 ‘‘(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or
12 Dragunov SVU;
13 ‘‘(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/
14 LAR, or FNC;
15 ‘‘(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
16 ‘‘(ix) HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, or HK–
17 PSG–1;
18 ‘‘(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
19 ‘‘(xi) M1 Carbine;
20 ‘‘(xii) Saiga;
21 ‘‘(xiii) SAR–8, SAR–4800;
22 ‘‘(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
23 ‘‘(xv) SLG 95;
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25 ‘‘(xvii) Steyr AUG;

1 ‘‘(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini–14;
2 ‘‘(xix) Tavor;
3 ‘‘(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or
4 Thompson 1927 Commando; or
5 ‘‘(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil
6 Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
7 ‘‘(B) The following pistols or copies or dupli-
8 cates thereof:
9 ‘‘(i) Calico M–110;
10 ‘‘(ii) MAC–10, MAC–11, or MPA3;
11 ‘‘(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
12 ‘‘(iv) TEC–9, TEC–DC9, TEC–22 Scor-
13 pion, or AB–10; or
14 ‘‘(v) Uzi.
15 ‘‘(C) The following shotguns or copies or dupli-
16 cates thereof:
17 ‘‘(i) Armscor 30 BG;
18 ‘‘(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
19 ‘‘(iii) Striker 12; or
20 ‘‘(iv) Streetsweeper.
21 ‘‘(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability
22 to accept a detachable magazine, and that has—
23 ‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
24 ‘‘(ii) a threaded barrel;
25 ‘‘(iii) a pistol grip;
1 ‘‘(iv) a forward grip; or
2 ‘‘(v) a barrel shroud.
3 ‘‘(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a
4 semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with
5 the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
6 ‘‘(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached
7 tubular device designed to accept, and capable of op-
8 erating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
9 ‘‘(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability
10 to accept a detachable magazine, and has—
11 ‘‘(i) a second pistol grip;
12 ‘‘(ii) a threaded barrel;
13 ‘‘(iii) a barrel shroud; or
14 ‘‘(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable
15 magazine at a location outside of the pistol
16 grip.
17 ‘‘(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed maga-
18 zine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
19 rounds.
20 ‘‘(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has—
21 ‘‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
22 ‘‘(ii) a pistol grip;
23 ‘‘(iii) the ability to accept a detachable
24 magazine; or
1 ‘‘(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more
2 than 5 rounds.
3 ‘‘(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
4 ‘‘(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or
5 based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a
6 firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A)
7 through (I) or (L).
8 ‘‘(K) A conversion kit.
9 ‘‘(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun origi-
10 nally designed for military or law enforcement use,
11 or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm,
12 that is not particularly suitable for sporting pur-
13 poses, as determined by the Attorney General. In
14 making the determination, there shall be a rebut-
15 table presumption that a firearm procured for use
16 by the United States military or any Federal law en-
17 forcement agency is not particularly suitable for
18 sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be deter-
19 mined to be particularly suitable for sporting pur-
20 poses solely because the firearm is suitable for use
21 in a sporting event.’’.

22 (b) RELATED DEFINITIONS.—Section 921(a) of such
23 title is amended by adding at the end the following:

24 ‘‘(36) BARREL SHROUD.—The term ‘barrel shroud’
25 means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or com-
1 pletely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud
2 protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by
3 the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the
4 barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock
5 along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or
6 substantially encircle the barrel.
7 ‘‘(37) CONVERSION KIT.—The term ‘conversion kit’
8 means any part or combination of parts designed and in-
9 tended for use in converting a firearm into a semiauto-
10 matic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from
11 which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled
12 if the parts are in the possession or under the control of
13 a person.
14 ‘‘(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE.—The term ‘detach-
15 able magazine’ means an ammunition feeding device that
16 can readily be inserted into a firearm.
17 ‘‘(39) FIXED MAGAZINE.—The term ‘fixed magazine’
18 means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or per-
19 manently attached to, a firearm.
20 ‘‘(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK.—The term
21 ‘folding or telescoping stock’ means a stock that folds,
22 telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size,
23 or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the
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1 ‘‘(41) FORWARD GRIP.—The term ‘forward grip’
2 means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions
3 as a pistol grip.
4 ‘‘(42) PISTOL GRIP.—The term ‘pistol grip’ means
5 a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that
6 can function as a grip.
7 ‘‘(43) THREADED BARREL.—The term ‘threaded
8 barrel’ means a feature or characteristic that is designed
9 in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm
10 as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms
11 Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).’’

12 SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION.
13 Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as
14 added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended—
15 (1) by inserting ‘‘(A)’’ after ‘‘(2)’’; and
16 (2) by adding after and below the end the fol-
17 lowing:
18 ‘‘(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm
19 the possession or transfer of which would (but for this sub-
20 paragraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and
21 which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the
22 enactment of this subparagraph.’’.

23 SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
24 Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as
25 added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking

1 ‘‘(3)’’ and all that follows through the 1st sentence and
2 inserting the following:
3 ‘‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm
4 that—
5 ‘‘(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level,
6 or slide action;
7 ‘‘(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable;
8 or
9 ‘‘(C) is an antique firearm.’’.

10 SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE
11 TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMI-
12 AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

13 Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as
14 added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding
15 at the end the following:
16 ‘‘(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer
17 a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1)
18 does not apply, except through—
19 ‘‘(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of sub-
20 section (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon
21 shall be considered to be transferred from the busi-
22 ness inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer
23 shall be considered to be the transferor; or
24 ‘‘(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if
25 the transfer is made in accordance with the proce-
1 dures provided for in subsection (t) of this section
2 and section 923(g).

3 ‘‘(6) The Attorney General shall establish and main-
4 tain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model,
5 and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault
6 weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has
7 been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State
8 law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime in-
9 volved, including the outcome of relevant criminal inves-
10 tigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall an-
11 nually submit the record to the Congress and make the
12 record available to the general public.’’.

13 SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR
14 TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNI-
15 TION FEEDING DEVICE.

16 (a) BAN ON TRANSFER OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT
17 WEAPON WITH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING
18 DEVICE.—
19 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 922 of title 18,
20 United States Code, is amended by inserting after
21 subsection (y) the following:
22 ‘‘(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer
23 any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition
24 feeding device.’’.
1 (2) PENALTIES.—Section 924(a) of such title is
2 amended by adding at the end the following:
3 ‘‘(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall
4 be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10
5 years, or both.’’.
6 (b) CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 922(w) of such title,
8 as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended—
9 (A) in paragraph (3)—
10 (i) by adding ‘‘or’’ at the end of sub-
11 paragraph (B); and
12 (ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and
13 redesignating subparagraph (D) as sub-
14 paragraph (C); and
15 (B) by striking paragraph (4) and insert-
16 ing the following:
17 ‘‘(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer,
18 licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large
19 capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufac-
20 tured on or before the date of the enactment of this sub-
21 section, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before
22 the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date
23 of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed
24 by the Attorney General, that the device was manufac-

1 tured on or before the date of the enactment of this sub-
2 section.’’.
3 (2) PENALTIES.—Section 924(a) of such title,
4 as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is
5 amended by adding at the end the following:
6 ‘‘(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4)
7 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than
8 5 years, or both.’’.

9 SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.
10 Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is
11 amended—
12 (1) in paragraph (1)—
13 (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the
14 period and inserting a semicolon; and
15 (B) by adding at the end the following:
16 ‘‘(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
17 ‘‘(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding de-
18 vice.’’; and
19 (2) in paragraph (2)—
20 (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the
21 period and inserting a semicolon; and
22 (B) by adding at the end the following:
23 ‘‘(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
24 ‘‘(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding de-
25 vice.’’

1 SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMU-
2 NITION FEEDING DEVICE.
3 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 922(w) of title 18, United
4 States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is
5 amended—
6 (1) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘(1) Except as
7 provided in paragraph (2)’’ and inserting ‘‘(1)(A)
8 Except as provided in subparagraph (B)’’;
9 (2) in paragraph (2), by striking ‘‘(2) Para-
10 graph (1)’’ and inserting ‘‘(B) Subparagraph (A)’’;
11 and
12 (3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the fol-
13 lowing:
14 ‘‘(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import
15 or bring into the United States a large capacity ammuni-
16 tion feeding device.’’.
17 (b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—Section
18 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of
19 this Act, is amended by striking ‘‘manufactured after the
20 date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law
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Maybe someone has a PDF to Word converter.
 
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