xd9fan
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trying to beat this logic into mainstream Republican voters is hard.
The neocons are not gettting how they are "Pro-Govt"
Does Ron Paul have a chance?
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trying to beat this logic into mainstream Republican voters is hard.
The neocons are not gettting how they are "Pro-Govt"
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Patriot-Brewer wrote:
Voting 3rd party helps your enemy, whether your a Dem or Rep.
What if you aren't a Dem or Rep and consider them both your enemy?
For whom <wrings hands> should I vote?
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I don't have a clue, seems like this crowd has already counted RP out've the race.
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Patriot-Brewer wrote:
Voting 3rd party helps your enemy, whether your a Dem or Rep.
What if you aren't a Dem or Rep and consider them both your enemy?
For whom <wrings hands> should I vote?
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-Rube
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I don't have a clue, seems like this crowd has already counted RP out've the race.
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ConstitutionCowboy
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The time to vote for whom you REALLY want is during the primaries to get them on the ballot. If that fails, make sure the worst do not get elected.
We will win this battle for our freedoms. Let's just hope some scumbag dictator doesn't think otherwise and force armed conflict. The more stubborn we are, the better. The despots will either seek easier ground or be forced to show their hand and we can kill them.
Woody
You can live free holding the stock and possibly never have to pull the trigger, or you can try to live free at the muzzle. I prefer to hold the stock and live free. Those at the muzzle never seem to fare quite so well. B.E.Wood
We will win this battle for our freedoms. Let's just hope some scumbag dictator doesn't think otherwise and force armed conflict. The more stubborn we are, the better. The despots will either seek easier ground or be forced to show their hand and we can kill them.
Woody
You can live free holding the stock and possibly never have to pull the trigger, or you can try to live free at the muzzle. I prefer to hold the stock and live free. Those at the muzzle never seem to fare quite so well. B.E.Wood
Titan6
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Can someone open a window it is getting a little warm in here
Woody said:
'We will win this battle for our freedoms. Let's just hope some scumbag dictator doesn't think otherwise and force armed conflict. The more stubborn we are, the better. The despots will either seek easier ground or be forced to show their hand and we can kill them.'
We still live in a democracy. Let us exercise our right to vote. We are a long, long way from grabbing the torches and pitchforks for real. There are much better ways of dealing with people ie Zumbo.
Woody said:
'We will win this battle for our freedoms. Let's just hope some scumbag dictator doesn't think otherwise and force armed conflict. The more stubborn we are, the better. The despots will either seek easier ground or be forced to show their hand and we can kill them.'
We still live in a democracy. Let us exercise our right to vote. We are a long, long way from grabbing the torches and pitchforks for real. There are much better ways of dealing with people ie Zumbo.
How, pray tell would they have gotten this done with a "Republican" House and Senate? The fact is, had Gore won in 2000, the so called "conservatives in Congress would have acted much more like conservatives and blocked Gore at every step.
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Maybe we shouldn't be. What I mean is, for me, the worst is how much of a tolerance this country has built up against government control. Liberty is becoming a dusty memory, and not enough people notice or care. If they did, if Mr. and Mrs. America gave two nickels about our nation's state of affairs, we wouldn't still be hearing about you-know-who on every GD news channel!
Someone said it though. The primaries, man. That's where it happens.
TrybalRage
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I think alot of you guys aren't giving RP the credit he may be due. I have been seeing his name pop up on sites that have NOTHING to do with the second amendment.
Many people who would normally vote R didn't last time around simply because of a single issue - Iraq. Ron Paul has been against it since the start.
I first heard of him on a radio show fan site, and all of it was positive. People like this guy, they like the idea of the gov. getting the hell out of their lives.
He appeals to a MUCH broader range of people than any of the other R's in the running.
Pro-gun people, anti-iraq people, small gov people, low tax people, people concerned with the national debt, people concerned with immigration, anti-nafta/cafta people, pro marijuana/hemp people, anti-capital punishment people, etc. It is a broad, broad range.
Don't be so quick to discount this guy - he really grabs some people that don't give a hoot about our cause.
Many people who would normally vote R didn't last time around simply because of a single issue - Iraq. Ron Paul has been against it since the start.
I first heard of him on a radio show fan site, and all of it was positive. People like this guy, they like the idea of the gov. getting the hell out of their lives.
He appeals to a MUCH broader range of people than any of the other R's in the running.
Pro-gun people, anti-iraq people, small gov people, low tax people, people concerned with the national debt, people concerned with immigration, anti-nafta/cafta people, pro marijuana/hemp people, anti-capital punishment people, etc. It is a broad, broad range.
Don't be so quick to discount this guy - he really grabs some people that don't give a hoot about our cause.
Sindawe
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Wow, talk about an obscure reference.
I have to agree with that one.
Funny that, how a REAL supporter of individual Liberty can cut across special interest lines and attract all sorts of people.
Titan6
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So spread the word. The media won't even if he is the elephant in the room.
Donate money. BB won't they are afraid of losing corporate welfare.
Give up time. If we have time enough to complain we have time enough to do something about it.
Whatever happens, happens.
Donate money. BB won't they are afraid of losing corporate welfare.
Give up time. If we have time enough to complain we have time enough to do something about it.
Whatever happens, happens.
ConstitutionCowboy
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Titan6 said:
Don't misunderstand me, Titan. I'm not advocating starting anything; just finishing it if some despot decides to take with arms that which he couldn't obtain with votes.
People like that exist. This is what the Second Amendment is for. Should this ever come to pass, it shall compel preservation of our freedom, so don't vote for anyone who would attempt to deprive us of the means.
Woody
How many times must people get bit in the (insert appropriate anatomical region) before they figure out that infringing upon rights sets the stage for the detrimental acts those rights are there to deter? B.E.Wood
TrybalRage
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But he would be running as an (R). So half the argument goes out the window.
People will know. I have been spreading word around, even at the office. Some people who would never vote for the standard-issue cookie cutter republican are liking what they hear about this guy.
People will know. I have been spreading word around, even at the office. Some people who would never vote for the standard-issue cookie cutter republican are liking what they hear about this guy.
Dan from MI
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Yes he has a chance:
In the sense that he has a chance to get his name on the ballot in the primaries and earn enough votes and delegates to win.
It's a real longshot, and the only way he can win is with one hell of a grass roots campaign as he won't have a lot of money or party establishment support. He'll need to outwork the others 10-1 - and I've seen Romney and McCain up here 5 times. Tancredo twice. I've never seen Ron Paul.
I'm a GOP activist up here. I'm the type of person that votes in all primaries. I'm the type of person that Ron Paul needs to talk to - as well at 200,000+ people that are like me.
I like Ron Paul and he has a shot to earn my vote, but he'll have to work for it, since I won't vote for a non-existant campaign. I'm not going to waste my time.
In the sense that he has a chance to get his name on the ballot in the primaries and earn enough votes and delegates to win.
It's a real longshot, and the only way he can win is with one hell of a grass roots campaign as he won't have a lot of money or party establishment support. He'll need to outwork the others 10-1 - and I've seen Romney and McCain up here 5 times. Tancredo twice. I've never seen Ron Paul.
I'm a GOP activist up here. I'm the type of person that votes in all primaries. I'm the type of person that Ron Paul needs to talk to - as well at 200,000+ people that are like me.
I like Ron Paul and he has a shot to earn my vote, but he'll have to work for it, since I won't vote for a non-existant campaign. I'm not going to waste my time.
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Johnnybgood
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I'm voting
Ron Paul. I will vote for who I want, NOT the lesser of two (three?) evils.
Ron Paul. I will vote for who I want, NOT the lesser of two (three?) evils.
Johnny_Yuma
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Does Ron Paul Have A Chance? NO!
NO! Americans are too stupid to read the Constitution, much less elect a guy like Paul.
NO! Americans are too stupid to read the Constitution, much less elect a guy like Paul.
mordechaianiliewicz
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Why are we in this basket? Why is it going down? Why is snow falling, shouldn't it be getting hot?
rockinrussky
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AuH2O
This Ron Paul seems to remind me of another well respected politician. Does Barry Goldwater come to mind at all? RP is most likely the last chance we'll ever have of a president being even close to that sort of a man (too bad he couldn't even win). For primaries, my vote is for Ron Paul all the way. If he doesn't get the nomination... *sigh* I guess we're stuck between a rock and a hard-place.
-Andrey
(oh yea, this is my first post by the way)
This Ron Paul seems to remind me of another well respected politician. Does Barry Goldwater come to mind at all? RP is most likely the last chance we'll ever have of a president being even close to that sort of a man (too bad he couldn't even win). For primaries, my vote is for Ron Paul all the way. If he doesn't get the nomination... *sigh* I guess we're stuck between a rock and a hard-place.
-Andrey
(oh yea, this is my first post by the way)
Say the election comes down to Giuliani and Hillary? Giuliani (a R) has a history of passing very Anti-gun laws in NYC. Also GWB has said he would sign the AWB if it came to him.
What you are implying is that a Republican is less likely to sign an AWB? I'd say if it came across right now, GWB would sign it and if Giuliani wins, I can almost guarantee he'll sign it.
And it goes deeper than just an AWB. GWB has extended the Patriot Act, Giuliani has already created a police state in NYC and I would bet that he would extend it too.
I am hoping that Ron Paul wins the primaries because I feel if he does, he stands a very strong chance to win the election. (Even possibly getting a few D votes.) Even if he doesn't, if he chooses to run as an Independent, I will most certainly vote for him.
What you are implying is that a Republican is less likely to sign an AWB? I'd say if it came across right now, GWB would sign it and if Giuliani wins, I can almost guarantee he'll sign it.
And it goes deeper than just an AWB. GWB has extended the Patriot Act, Giuliani has already created a police state in NYC and I would bet that he would extend it too.
I am hoping that Ron Paul wins the primaries because I feel if he does, he stands a very strong chance to win the election. (Even possibly getting a few D votes.) Even if he doesn't, if he chooses to run as an Independent, I will most certainly vote for him.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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So let's assume that both Rudy and McCain have a very high chance of signing a new AWB. And we don't have to assume with Obama or Hillary. We already know they would.
So by that token it would appear that there is really no difference between the 4 candidates right?
Wrong. While all 4 may have the same personal desire for a new AWB, there is a crucial difference. Rudy or McCain constituents would be against it. They would be losing point with those the elected them. So there is a slight chance they would think twice about an AWB, if only for the sake of looking good. What they want and what their GOP base wants are in conflict, so they have to weigh that out.
The Dem candidates have no such conflict. The people who would get them elected want a new AWB as much as they do. So they will go ahead with no hesitation.
That's what it comes down to. The GOP candidates would at least hesitate about signing. The Dems will not.
rhubarb
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Enough already.:banghead:
Ron Paul has a chance. Of course he does.
From now on, stop "what if" posts. Stop the "Does Ron Paul Have A Chance" posts. From now on, any thread in reference to Ron Paul must be entitled, "I'm Looking Forward to President Ron Paul."
We must start ingraining it into people's minds that he is a contender. Once people take him seriously and give him a good look, they will vote for him. I firmly believe that the American people want a leader that is made of honesty substance and principles, which is more than I would say of any Washington politician except Mr. Paul. For the last week I have been writing emails to online news outlets requesting news updates on Ron Paul's campaign. I have contributed to his election fund, but he must be in the news.
Ron Paul has a chance. Of course he does.
From now on, stop "what if" posts. Stop the "Does Ron Paul Have A Chance" posts. From now on, any thread in reference to Ron Paul must be entitled, "I'm Looking Forward to President Ron Paul."
We must start ingraining it into people's minds that he is a contender. Once people take him seriously and give him a good look, they will vote for him. I firmly believe that the American people want a leader that is made of honesty substance and principles, which is more than I would say of any Washington politician except Mr. Paul. For the last week I have been writing emails to online news outlets requesting news updates on Ron Paul's campaign. I have contributed to his election fund, but he must be in the news.
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