Proud to be a gun free home.

Awesome thread!! I'm gonna have to see how many liberals I know, would do this.

Do what I do. Ignore the signs. If I'm carrying concealed correctly, they won't ever have the chance to see my firearm. Now, if the store has a stripsearch policy, I may be hesitant to enter.

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Be careful with that. I believe that in some states, if the store owner puts up a "no guns" sign, it is legally binding. Carrying anyways would be like carrying without a CCW.

People who put up signs like those remind me of King Canute and the sea - living in a fantasy-world, not reality

Back in VA I had the "whaddaya need a gun for?" conversation with a couple of my bliss-ninney neighbors. I recited the litany of violent and property crimes that had occurred over the last year within a mile of our 'nice' neighborhood. I allowed as firearms come with the requirement of a certain amount of maturity and responsibility, and maybe weren't for everyone, but I did emphasize that everyone needed a home defense plan beyond 9-1-1, be it OC, Louisville slugger, 7 iron. I also challenged the more adamant 'no guns' folks to go ahead and post their property as a 'gun-free zone'. No takers

Freaking hypocrites. The big joke came on New Years day a couple winters ago when there was a warm burglary down the street and one of the same idjits wanted to borrow a gun . . . . :banghead: You can lead a whore to culture, but you cna't make her think.

Skinnyguy - My meaning is that the elected dems tend to be more aggressive in the restriction of the rights we have, and I fully understand that the repubs have supported the restriction of those rights. However they have INITIATED fewer restrictions than the dems.

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I would disagree. GWB and his old crew in Congress loved to restrict our rights. Both parties want to restrict your rights, they just argue over which rights they want to restrict.

"Texas 30 .06 Law"

In Texas, any signage forbidding firearms on the premises of a retail establishment (or wherever), must be of correct size and contain verbage that's verbatim to the "30 - 06" law on the books.

A circle with a gun inside and a strike slash across it won't hold up in court..if it get's that far.

We were told this more than once at our CHL class by the instructor and the LEO on hand for finger printing.

This was August of '05..if it's changed, I'm not aware of it.

I see the 'no guns' sticker on a few places here in Virginia. According to VA law it doesn't hold water legally until you refuse to leave, which is a misdemeanor.

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Greetings all. Just wondering how many anti-RKBA types would be willing to advertise the fact that they live in a firearm free home. Nothing to ostentatious, no flashing lights or anything. Just something about the size of a realtor's sign, with the title of this thread printed on it, in their front yards. Sort of a "put your money where your mouth is" concept. Thoughts anyone?

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I think this is something you don't want to seriously endorse because the people willing to do it live in conditions where they probably will NOT find themselves the victim of a crime, sign or no sign. Generally speaking, crime is NOT rampant and our streets are not running red with blood from the victims of lawless predators prowling on every block.

If you put yourself in the shoes of the criminal for a second, if you're the type of criminal to even bother to stop and read a sign then you would probably be the same type to consider the legitimacy of such a sign... it is real or just "bait" to draw you into their house? Why do they even have a message presented for you (the criminal in this thought experiment) to see unless they were expecting you and have some sort of contingency for planned for you? The whole thing would smell "off" and if you did indeed strike, it would only be because you properly cased the target- guns or no guns, sign or no sign.

Think about this in another light. It is common knowledge that school campuses are disarmed. No signs necessary. And yet, while there certainly are some instances of crime on campus, by and large I doubt most students on campus find themselves victims of a crime despite their vulnerability.

The point is, while this is a "fun" little thing to preach to the choir with... it's not an argument or technique that will get you taken seriously in a real discussion with an anti-RKBA (unless you're both just spouting dogma and catch phrases). Besides the fact, even if they did live in a high risk environment, I think the purpose to convert them to a pro-gun stance, not get them killed or victimized.

Looks like Oleg already has this situation covered.

The wife sticking the Brady Campaign sticker on her car parked in the driveway does not mean that hubby doesn't own a Glock that he umm... "forgot" to tell her he bought/owned.

A majority of Americans live in gun free homes. The chances for a criminal breaking into a home with firearms is probably remote in most parts of the country. Even if the owner had firearms it is even more remote they would actually use them to defend themseleves.

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/002976.html
(See the table in the link above)

While it's true that the majority of homes don't have guns (the nation taken as a whole), some states guns in the household are the majority, and in all but the worst [for gun owners] states, the chances of picking a home with guns are pretty high.

Probably wont see it, even the sheep dont want the BG to know they are sheep but they want to be sheep so bad that they take away everone elses right not to be a sheep.

DD-B writes in his Carry Journal that he found one such household.



He asks if they are "The Bravest Household in Minneapolis?"

Let's put it this way. How many of you would put a similar sign on your home for a year if you were promised the EBR, .50 cal, or custom 1911 of your choice at the end (having a break in or quitting counts as a forfeit)? Not everyone, I'm sure, but there would absolutely be some takers who would win taking that deal. My town, for example, is over 250 years old with only 1 recorded break-in all that history.

This "challenge" has more to do with crime stats than anything meaningful to the RKBA and doesn't make us look particularly bright in a debate... particularly because we are not, by and large, advertising the presence of guns in our homes... so it would be disingenuous to claim a deterrent effect (especially, as mentioned in the stats above, a significant percentage of homes have guns).

What you'd really want to show is that gun-owners are victimized less by burglary/home-invasions. I'm sure guns are a factor (as something to fear or perhaps to steal), but probably low on the list in determining whether a home is a suitable target or not. Probably first on the list is how easily they'll get away with it, something mitigated by a dog, alarm system, watchful neighbors, or ever present family more than an inanimate firearm.

We have to think critically about our own arguments if we want anti-gun people to take us seriously. The man in Minneapolis isn't the bravest, by far, all he did was apply a little common sense to his own situation (that his likelihood of proving his point far outweighs his own risk), something we have to remember to do.

i just have to say, this thread has the best illustrations i've seen so far.

and to respond to someone's earlier point, i know a lot of liberals who would be willing to openly admit they do not carry guns, but because that is because they live in these states where gun ownership is not in the majority (or THE MINORITY), and they think they have nothing to worry about.

i'm sure these same liberals will be wetting their pants and wishing for firearms if, god forbid, something does happen to their homes.

According to that GunFacts sheet, the likelihood of a burglary ending in the burglar getting shot by the homeowvner is equal to that of the burglar getting caught by police. (1.6%, or so.)

I worked with a lady with two daughters - no husband - who during the 60's riots in Detroit put a sign on her porch - 'No firearms here'.

She said she did this because all of her neighbors were making a big point about picking up a shotgun or whatever for their houses and she wanted to make her own statement.

Good for her, however, she also told me her two kids were in therapy because they were worried that the Russians might attack the US - go figure.

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I might put out such a sign for an adequate prize -- of course I wold be lying.

So, for most of the 'faithful' here, isn't puting up a "Gun Free Zone" (or equivalent) like hunting over bait?

I live in a gun free home... they have never been locked and are everywhere

And yet, while there certainly are some instances of crime on campus, by and large I doubt most students on campus find themselves victims of a crime despite their vulnerability.

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Not a safe assumption at all. When I was in college, there were far more robberies, burglaries, thefts, and rapes on campus and in the surrounding neighborhoods for the size of the area than there are in the urban area I live in now. Fewer murders by far, but much more of the other crimes listed above.

College students are easy targets--always on cell phones or ipods, leaving doors unlocked, leaving windows open, stumbling around drunk, going out late at night, not aware of their surroundings, etc. You'd be amazed how few people lock their doors on a college campus. Plus, even if one person does, his/her roommates are just as likely to leave it unlocked when they leave.

I live in a gun free home... they have never been locked and are everywhere

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You have FREE-RANGE GUNS eh?