joab
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You need no permission to exercise a right. Once you give in you might as well give up
Gun Registration for Militia Service
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Frohickey
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I would support it if...
I would support gun registration for militia service if the government upon finding out that all I own are flintlocks and blackpowder arms, would issue me a brand-spanking shiny new M249-SAW.
I would support gun registration for militia service if the government upon finding out that all I own are flintlocks and blackpowder arms, would issue me a brand-spanking shiny new M249-SAW.
Rev. DeadCorpse
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I would register myself as being willing to report for citizen Militia Duty. I'd also make an attempt to procure the required equipment before showing up for muster.
However, my firearms are my business. What I own is no one else's concern. Nor should I be REQUIRED to register them to "keep" them. That violates my Right to "be secure in persons, houses, papers, and effects" as per the 4th Amend.
However, my firearms are my business. What I own is no one else's concern. Nor should I be REQUIRED to register them to "keep" them. That violates my Right to "be secure in persons, houses, papers, and effects" as per the 4th Amend.
Brian Dale
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No. If I were issued a weapon, I'd be responsible for it. If I were required to equip myself with one, I would do so.
That's it.
That's it.
geekWithA.45
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You already did. Selective Service registration @ 18 is still mandatory.
Titan6
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Sure
If they issue me one or sell me one. Otherwise a positive affrimation that I have one and display of same should more than suffice.
If they issue me one or sell me one. Otherwise a positive affrimation that I have one and display of same should more than suffice.
Sam Adams
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I voted the "I don't know" choice. Ordinarily, it'd be "NFW, Molon Labe" etc.
However,
IF, IF, IF the registration was ONLY of the actual weapon or weapons that were to be used for militia duty (and there'd have to be a yearly training requirement, etc., i.e. a REAL militia as envisioned by the Founders), then I could see it. Go ahead, register the full auto M16 that Uncle will sell me for $750 or so - as long as it is mine, and as long as I can buy whatever I want to buy (esp. including full autos) WITHOUT registration, tax stamps and other such nonsense. Otherwise, FUHGEDDABOUDIT!
You also need fines for being physically unfit for duty (standard to be on a sliding scale, depending upon age) and for failing to properly maintain your weapon, ammo, and other accessories. The Swiss did this (and, I presume, still do), resulting in K-31s that still have pristine bores and which can shoot 2 MOA with iron sights.
However,
IF, IF, IF the registration was ONLY of the actual weapon or weapons that were to be used for militia duty (and there'd have to be a yearly training requirement, etc., i.e. a REAL militia as envisioned by the Founders), then I could see it. Go ahead, register the full auto M16 that Uncle will sell me for $750 or so - as long as it is mine, and as long as I can buy whatever I want to buy (esp. including full autos) WITHOUT registration, tax stamps and other such nonsense. Otherwise, FUHGEDDABOUDIT!
You also need fines for being physically unfit for duty (standard to be on a sliding scale, depending upon age) and for failing to properly maintain your weapon, ammo, and other accessories. The Swiss did this (and, I presume, still do), resulting in K-31s that still have pristine bores and which can shoot 2 MOA with iron sights.
hrgrisso
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My concern
My Concern is simple. What if this happens. We have a registration system in place for the milita. Fine. A solid SCOTUS decision affirming it as an individual right. Fine.
But what happens if Eight years later a sitting President signes into existence the NAU? And in the creation of the NAU the pre-existing laws of the U.S. are overridden in an attempt to create solidarity between what used to be the U.S., Canada and Mexico.
Of course if they all want to adopt the U.S. Constitution we can talk...
My Concern is simple. What if this happens. We have a registration system in place for the milita. Fine. A solid SCOTUS decision affirming it as an individual right. Fine.
But what happens if Eight years later a sitting President signes into existence the NAU? And in the creation of the NAU the pre-existing laws of the U.S. are overridden in an attempt to create solidarity between what used to be the U.S., Canada and Mexico.
Of course if they all want to adopt the U.S. Constitution we can talk...
SoCalShooter
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All the government needs to know is that the militia will take its place and stand up when the time is necessary.
MD_Willington
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I'm a foreigner, came in as a non-immigrant, and I am now an immigrant alien, I checked into signing up, and aparently did not have to...
Rev. DeadCorpse
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I even served 6 years Active Duty Marine Corps from 1988-1994. MOS 6027.
For Militia service though, I'm thinking the more historical Citizen Militia rather than registering for the Select Militia. There is a world of difference there.
While this seems right now to be fantasy, the topics of these several militia threads may turn out to be ways of life. We are in it deep in Iraq and Afghan., we are looking hard at Iran, and we are not far away from having a lack of resources to deal with major situation(s) here. Another 9/11 type terrorist attack would be an event that will, or should, piss off & frighten enough of the people to realize the threat IS REAL enough to want to get some serious security forces involved - police of course, but also state defense forces - the unorganized militia - WE may be all that is left in the USA. This isn't an idea isolated to "gun-nuts"; and it shouldn't even be some far-fetched issue to be argued over - it's OUR COUNTRY - the people's, and WE have the most to lose, or at least as much as those who would deny the right to us.
When that happens - I am in, willing to do whatever it takes to be well-armed and well-trained in military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle me to be partial to taken on the character of a well-regulated militia. (EXCEPT registering my guns!)
When that happens - I am in, willing to do whatever it takes to be well-armed and well-trained in military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle me to be partial to taken on the character of a well-regulated militia. (EXCEPT registering my guns!
)Maybe...
If by registering myself and a firearm that I was issued... Ok.
My own firearms... No way! Someone might get the bright idea that I have too many firearms for one person to use at a time. That my "extra" firearms would be useful in other people's hands. They can't afford a military grade firearm so we will give them yours...
They could call it ROAR - Redistribution of active rifles.
If by registering myself and a firearm that I was issued... Ok.
My own firearms... No way! Someone might get the bright idea that I have too many firearms for one person to use at a time. That my "extra" firearms would be useful in other people's hands. They can't afford a military grade firearm so we will give them yours...
They could call it ROAR - Redistribution of active rifles.
jnojr
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Where's the "I already have registration" choice?
I voted 'no way', but it's kind of a moot point. We've got registration by default through form 4473 on new purchases. It doesn't matter that the records remain with the FFL, and that people can still (mostly) sell firearms between individuals without paperwork.
The paper trail is sufficient that, if the government "needed" to, they could acquire the records necessary to collect the majority of firearms. There are very few firearm owners who haven't bought a firearm through an FFL at one point; if they get that one firearm, it's likely they'll get the majority of your other firearms, too.
The paper trail is sufficient that, if the government "needed" to, they could acquire the records necessary to collect the majority of firearms. There are very few firearm owners who haven't bought a firearm through an FFL at one point; if they get that one firearm, it's likely they'll get the majority of your other firearms, too.
MrPeter
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I would have no problem registering for the local militia, if:
A) They issued me a lovely something-or-other. Doesn't have to be full-auto, but could, and would be nice
B) Make Full-Auto legal.
C) Have a clause in some formal piece of documentation that says that I agree to return the weapon upon request, and not have confiscation as an excuse for entering my home. I would be worried that because I have some govt property, they could use it as a free reason to bust in whenever they wanted, and there would be nothing (legally) I could do about it.
D) They supplied me with enough ammunition to practice regularly, although I wouldn't have a problem practicing on my own time.
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A) They issued me a lovely something-or-other. Doesn't have to be full-auto, but could, and would be nice
B) Make Full-Auto legal.
C) Have a clause in some formal piece of documentation that says that I agree to return the weapon upon request, and not have confiscation as an excuse for entering my home. I would be worried that because I have some govt property, they could use it as a free reason to bust in whenever they wanted, and there would be nothing (legally) I could do about it.
D) They supplied me with enough ammunition to practice regularly, although I wouldn't have a problem practicing on my own time.
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