CQB combat style

In the scenario that you outlined: RUN. If you think that you can go unarmed against 3 knifers, then you're living in a fantasy world.

Anyway, I practiced Asian style kicking and throwing arts for about 10 or so years. I was very proficient and very confident. Then I got my butt kicked one day. Since then, I've been studying real deal combatives. The best cure for not knowing what works on the street is to have a friend try to hand you a beating. Wear protective gear of course and then tell him to do anything that he wants short of something causing permanent damage. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a wrist lock or high side kick in when someone is all over you. Asian style martial arts are just fine, and people do well with them, but it definitely isn't for me. Combatives like simple and effective hand to hand, evasion, and mindset techniques are what I study now.

The difference between Eastern martial arts and a system designed for unarmed/CQB is that the Eastern arts have been sporterized. Similar to the Olympics which were originally contests of soldiers' skills, have been diluted to nothing more than games.




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How about a 2' x 3' shield and nice, sharp sword?

Are they between me and the only way out? All I'd usually be carrying is a Benchmade, so I guess I'd have to say folding knife. I'd try to get a run and hit the biggest gap, either cutting someone or swimming through, depending on their reaction.

My choice of weapons, other than firearms? I dunno. Grenade? Molotov cocktail? Grosse messer-type short sword?

kannonfyre- Even with my ASP and EDC knife, I'm still going to run away. Fighting alone against three people armed with knives is no joke, no matter what your non-firearm weapon is in this situation. Expect to run or expect to be hurt (even if you win) in this situation. Even if I had my 1911 on, I would still run away. If they are close enough to use knives on me I've already messed up. If I absolutely had to fight, I would prefer an ASP, Bagwell Bowie, or HI Khukuri. But how often to I carry those? Almost never. How often do you carry a 24" baton and a 7" knife? I'd rather use that space to carry a gun personally.

The real question here isn't what weapon or art would you use, since weapon types or arts don't matter as much in the real world as most people think. Proficiency matters, tenacity matters, mindset matters, resourcefulness matters, running ability matters, physical abilites matter, the non-firearm weapon probably matters least IMHO.

I could probably hold my own with a two-handed sword or sword-n-shield in a situation like that. Or I could whip out my pipes and scare 'em away.

Well if it was for real. I'd run I'm hella fast. But if I had noooooo choice and just to have some fun..
I'd choose a Katana blade. CQB I would use my sword because I know how to fight multiple people with it. You can take out three people pretty fast if the scenario is right. I've done kendo (japanese sword fighting) and my friends and I practiced multiple advisary situations. BUT!! Granted 8/10 times I died... hence if it were for real I'd run.

The problem with this situation and nearly all others like it is that my survival is totally dependent on who they are.

If it's a coupla unskilled kids trying to bluff my wallet away I could easily extricate myself from the situation. Other variables would determine the condition I left them in.

On the other hand, if these are two strong-willed and skilled kids who've been fighting for survival since they were 10, things would be more problematic.

In any case, within the parameters you've described there are only two reasonable options: give up the loot or pick a direction and blitz out. They've made a serious tactical error in trying to 'surround' me with only 2 people to cover 2 huge exits.

I guess it depends on how much money I'm carrying.

Heck, I'd just use what I normally have at hand when out on a motorcycle ride:

Right-hand weapon: 5.45" blade knife.

Left-hand: 14" "rear axle adjuster" Crescent wrench. Failing that, Shoei full-face helmet held by the chin guard.

Armor: hard plastic at elbows, forearms under decent jacket.

Technique: known as the "pissed off 300lb 6'4" biker stomp".



Win lose or draw, I guarantee you they won't have any fun .

i know, i know, i should run, etc etc...

but if i had to choose and had to fight...

36" long, 1.5" wide stick. basically a nice dowel. i have three at home right now. can fight with one, working on fighting with two.

it's a combination of filipino stick fighting, quarterstaffing, and fencing. techniques change as your distance management begins to fail. it's really quite fun, and i would die with incredible style.

Give me a slightly oversized bo staff, about 190 cm, or a pair of chain-connected nunchaku. Or, wait a minute, a huge can of strong OC. Yes, I'll take the pepper hose.

ASP in right hand, OC in left hand.

Trained on the Asp and OC in Police academy. Trained in kickboxing, tai kwan doe, and hapkido. Trained in "military judo"(I don't think that "training" would get me out of anything). And finally, trained in HK-fu.

Course I'm well on my way to becoming a police officer, if only I could find somewhere that will hire a rookie!

Some of you have mentioned combatives or non Asian style martial arts combatives. I have a 2nd degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, but have never had to use it. I think in this situation, if the kids are even half decent, I'd get cut up some. I'm just curious as to what courses you've taken under what instructors. Like gun courses, there seem to be a lot out there these days.

Well assuming that I can't run and that these are two 15 year old punks, I guess I just want a 36" length of 2" steel pipe. When I'm done, these two are going need the nearest emergency room.

Of course, I would be in condition yellow before I had allowed myself to get in this position and probably would have avoided the alley especially if it was at night, a seedy area or didn't look safe.

I would use the most terrifying CQB technique known to man.

Cane Corso!

Me 220lbs with a knife and grim determination and Cane Corso 160lbs of pure pissed off hate.

You stick my Cane Corso with a POS switch blade the cops will find you half eaten days later.

For those that don't know this is a Cane Corso:





HS/LD

3 guys with knives? Run. Run fast.

Have to fight. Shoot them.

No gun. Sucks to be you.

Seriously. Who here has been in an all out fight with multiple assailants? I was in a fight for my life with 4 people. I can guarentee you one thing. YOU WILL GET BADLY HURT. I don't care if you are Bruce Freaking Lee. Even if you win you will be badly hurt. Accept it. My jaw still doesn't close correctly.

Now add knives to the mix. It only takes a couple of inches of steel to kill you. So one lucky strike and you are dead. One good slash and you bleed out in a matter of minutes.

So in your scenario if you are facing off against 3 punks then you may have a chance if they are cowards. However all it takes is one of them to get lucky and bury his $5 knife up to the hilt through your kidney.

If you are facing 3 determined and skilled adversaries hell bent on ending your unarmed existence then you are probably going to end up dead.

DOES NO ONE READ THE POST IT WAS 2 15 YR OLD PUNKS NOT 3!

Sorry HS, I missed that and picked up 3 somewhere later on.

Either way. Still sucks. And I stand by my previous post. Only you are less likely to die.

My Navy Mk1 5.25" combat knife

Engage one while keeping him interposed between me and the second guy... kill the first and then deal with second if he still has teh balls to fight.

Yikes, HS, that is one heck of a doggie! Have not seen anything that big since the Ice Age. . . . man.

Knives, huh? I want something with some reach such as a staff as we use in the style I study. Cane maybe second choice. (First choice is always running away).

For the fight location, lets assume that it's a 15 foot wide and 40 foot long alley. There are trash cans on either side and a dumpster or two at the ends. The ground is dry but with a decent amount of litter. Your opponents are two 15 yr old teenaged punks armed with POS switchblades who want to mug you. They have you cornered on either side of the alley.

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In that scenario I'll run like a cheeta and scream like a chimp, but the chances are that I'll never be in a situation like that 'cuz I have a big chunk of steel behind my rigth hip.

BTW those Cane Corso look really mean.

Any weapon? A sword, katana or a hand-and-a-half. Big cuts and holes, longer reach and looks scary in an alley.

That not being on hand, a KA-BAR knife. And my chow-chow. I have been reliably informed by one dummy who tried to come into my yard that he bites hard and seems to prefer the crotch.

LawDog Principle of Bad Guy Counting:

T=X+1

Where T is the actual number of critters who wind up pounding on your butt during the fight, and X is the number of critters you see prior to the start of the festivities.

Given two critters in an alley, and given that I can't run like a striped-butted ape, I'm going to hose the little brats from about 12 feet away with OC/pepper spray and then put the cane and the boots to their blinded little selves until the exit path is relatively clear.

Then I'm going to run like a striped-butted ape.

LawDog