USA Invasion

I think it has more to do with thousands of miles of oceans to our east and west, and placid neighbors to the north and south. Transportation logistics would be a nightmare for an invader.

But private gun ownership would be deterent to some extent.

Another factor is the fact that we're only bordered by two weak countries, and anyone else who wants to invade will have to cross a big ocean.

Thats part of it. Why do you think so many come here and after a generation or two they start trying to get rid of our guns?

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I heard that one, initially about the Japanese during WWII. Some Japanese general said they had talked about a land invasion but figured too many Americans would be too well armed and really mad about being invaded.

Some Japanese general said they had talked about a land invasion but figured too many Americans would be too well armed and really mad about being invaded.

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It's a quote that has often been attributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto. However, historians have found that most of the quotes attributed to Yamamoto have no factual basis and are probably false. He didn't keep a written journal and, unlike American senior officers, Japanese officers didn't have a flock of news reporters following them around writing down their every word.

I kinda figured. There seem to be quite a few mis-quotes from that era. Probably related to all the propaganda flying around, on both sides.

Don't forget we have a pretty darn good miltary..

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Most people don't realize what a tremendous defense-in-depth we have with our National Guard.

Here in lil' ol' Boise, ID, we have a couple dozen M1A Abrams tanks and some A-10 Warthogs at our airport. Some mobile artillery, too. Mountain Home, not far away, has a pretty good air wing.

Most of our major cities have major military bases with significant numbers of men and military supplies. Think of all the military bases in CA, for example.

And don't forget that our Interstate highway system was originally developed with the strategic intent of allowing us to move military resources from place to place, rapidly.

Anybody invading us will be resisted at every major point in the country.

And, of course, the combined weaponry of THR members is probably greater than most small countries. (And we probably shoot better than the soldiers of most small countries, Switzerland and Israel possibly excepted.)

Logistics & protection thereof. Country X must acquire air superiority sufficient to allow establishing a secure landing at a city with a container port. That would require a carrier group (or 3, 4, 5...). To invade and hold any sizable portion of the lower 48 would require securing a border (somewhere), which would be porous as heck. Difficult to hold ground once captured (exp. - the MEX-AZ border is just about perfect tank country).

The real question would seem to be why?
What geopolitical goal could be achieved by invading the US?

China would lose its market and the value of its T-bill holdings, Russia couldn't pull it off (other than AK - sorry Cosmoline), and no one else has/could develop the capability.

IMO - Higher probability is a WMD hit. Fast, "cheap" and a greater number of probable country Xs.

I see your point, but I submit that we have been, and continue to be "invaded". I am not attempting to hi-jack this thread and mutate it into an illegal immigration thread. Rather, I am asserting that I am factually concerned that various elements in Mexico and other countries may well be pre-positioning "agents" or "soldiers" to take up arms at some predetermined date, but not in a conventional format.

For certain, such a possibility must at the very least be acknowledged as a possibility. Perhaps it does not rise to the level of a statistical probability, but possibility exists. Given the current state of misdeeds by these interlopers, I am glad that I speak Spanish. In the event of an ugly day of reckoning, I am one-step-up in terms of contributing to intelligence gathering on behalf of my beloved country.

I do see a thread of reasonableness to the argument that the high number of firearms in America makes foreign powers pre-think and re-think numerous times before attempting to commit troops to American soil. Reflect back on America's most recent calendar year of hunting seasons. Now, make the presence perpetual and increase the numbers of weapons baring men and women at least 10-fold. American firearms owners and hunters would destroy any conventional foreign forces in warp-speed. For certain, the invaders would find no solace, no secure zones, no food, no fuel and no sleep. I would do my part. Collectively, America's arms owners would make Hell itself look like paradise. Don't wake sleeping giants.

Excellent thread. Thanks.

Military invasion, not really going to happen as the only countries that have wanted to own parts of america either have no reason to invade with an army. For example Japan always wanted the hawaian islands and the west coast, they have basically bought up the islands since the 1980s, and own lots of real estate in california.
The other empire wanting to own american land was Germany. Germany doesnt have any reason or itnerest to conquer New England from us so we are safe.

However we are being invaded by a foreign power, the Catholic church. If you pay good attention to magazine articles, the massive influx of catholics from mexico and south america is being encouraged by catholic bishops in north america as the influx of catholics would allow them to vote in laws and constitutional ammendments repealing all abortion and the seperation of church and state.

SO many people still think an invasion need to use tanks and guns, when in the modern world the only invasions that work is mass movement of people and money.

Private gun ownership? Get real. There are countries with 30% to almost 100% private gun ownership (Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq) and armies roam at will through these places.

Logistical problems because of the great distances involved, especially over water is the deterrent. Remember what happened to the Germans when they invaded Russia in WWII? There is a reason why England hasn't been invaded in 1000 years; and the reason why we nuked Japan instead of invaded it.

No one wants to invade USA because of our nukes, sub force, surface fleets, and F-15s w/AWACs flying strategic air defense.

Wow, anti-immigrant hysteria has turned into good old-fashioned Papist fearmongering. Sweet.

Historically, we have been invaded and private gun ownership didn't do much to stop it.

In the summer of 1814 the British had a cake walk into Washington D.C. and burned the White House down along with some other government buildings. That is a humiliation our county has completely forgotten.


Let's say China was able to put one hundred divisions on our west coast. Logistically this would be very difficult even without our air force and navy in the equation, so let's just say they were teleported there. Even then, the least of the invaders' worries would be some THR member in camos on his roof top with a tricked out Yugo SKS with a red dot scope. And with all due respect, how many of these same keyboard commandos (who dream of the day the UN invades) would **** themselves when they saw the first Chinese armor or troops approaching?


As you're watching "Red Dawn" tonight, be thankful we have the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

I've heard from various places that one major reason our counrty has'nt been invaded on land in recent history by a foreighn country is because of the high level of civilian gun ownership. Do y'all think there is any truth to that?

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NOPE I think that the policy of M.A.D mutually assured destruction has acted as a much stronger deterrent for these past 60yrs

Fighting in someone else's neighborhood (Iraq and Afghanistan), regular U.S. Army and Marine units, not Spec Ops, have been kicking the living "sierra" outta some very determined fighters for a couple of years now. Set aside any rhetoric about whether we're really changing anything there, I'm just talking about the overwhelming U.S. military success.

Now, move 'em back onto their own homeland with far easier resupply capacity, friendly locals who would be glad to have the U.S. military fighting a foreign invader, and toss in Spec Ops waging a fight against the invaders.

China and Russia are about the only ones with the capacity to invade us, and it would so tax their supply lines I don't think they could pull it off.

One more likely scenario would be for either China or Russia to invade Canada, claim land there, and hold it. I think they could do it with ease, militarily. Politically, who knows. The Old Bear has shown signs in recent years it's regrowing it's once clipped claws from the days of the Soviet Union.

Once they had a toehold in Canada, then they could try and start amassing tanks, soldiers and weapons, but we'd see it coming a thousand miles away. We saw it in Cuba, and Kennedy faced down Khrushchev over it.

Another scenario would be a coalition of Russia and China invading. Again Canada would fall easily, but then I think Canada could be taken with a few hundred THR members. Russia and China invading the U.S. directly? Hmmmmm, maybe.

A third scenario, and one which I think has the greatest chance of success, would be an invasion of the U.S. after the current 50/50 nation splits into two or more Americas in a bloodless secession of states. The weaker, or weakest, of the Americas would be the easy target, and even easier for both Russia and China.

Papist?

Haven't heard that slur in a while...

IMHO, we're our own worst enemy. We'll self-destruct LONG before an outside agency manages to step foot in Kansas.

I have it on good authority that a scrappy group of misfits calling themselves "The Wolverines" are the greatest detterent to an invasion this country has.

Yes we were invaded, and it was during WW2. The japanese landed on one of our outlying Alaskan islands and attempted to establish a beachhead. Seems that not many people know about this.

All of the above....

The isolation of the country would make it very difficult, and with our military technology, and invasion would have little chance of every making it here without irreparable loses. Any troops that survived the invasion, then have to deal with our military yet some more. THEN they have to deal with the civilians either w/ or w/o the military.

Definitely a loser, as far as plans go.....

Take a close look at our military and you'll soon know why no one attacks our mainland. I sure wouldn't want to be fighting them on their own soil. Those young men and women are well trained, and we're darn lucky that we have people of that caliber to defend us.

Honestly, i see not a single reason to invade USA.
To bring it to the knees and to knock it off the world's politics (at least temporarily) is another matter. This is absolutely irrelevant to Russia or China, but i suppose some Islamic country might do that.
Imagine just a bunch of well trained commandos, with prepared caches of small arms and good explosives on US soil.
Then, a coordinated attack on US power grid. Blow up some major powerhouses and power distribution centers, shut down the Silicon valley and Washington DC, and see how long it will take for a chaos to come.

Again, i see no reason for any 1st or 2nd-world country to do so, as it would do a major impact to the world's economy. But a country (or a well-financed and determined organization) that does not care for another worldwide economical crisis... is another matter.

I think the way laws are in this country that if we were invaded by people from another country and any American shot one of the invaders, the American would be brought up on charges.
we are already invaded by illegals and they are getting away with breaking the laws--DWI ect. getting medical and other benifits that Americans can't get.
now there are over 15 million illegals running around America and they aren't all Mexicans here to pick lettuce, I wonder how many sleeper cells are laying low just waiting for the word to start car bombing and do other evil acts to Americans, I'm willing to bet that the FBI have their eye on many groups.
JMO