Chicago crime & high point

It probably has to do with hi-points being affordable (according to reading I've done, the 'black market' price is a couple times the 'legal' price) and being a mass production item.

Hi-points are popular because if you run dry, you can beat the mofo to death with that brick with a handle. Joe

7 out of 10 crimes that have to do with a firearm in chicago involve a High Point firearm..

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Any reliable source for this piece of information?

Seems that with the gun crime rate in Chicago, and 70% involving one maker....Hmm..
I'm not sure Hi Point even MADE that many firearms.

You (or someone) just made that up. The percentage of guns that are Hi-Point, compared to the total number sold is too low for that to be possible.

Maybe you're trying to make a joke about Hi-Points, I don't know, my joke-detector is broken this morning.

Give a resource.

An unsourced statistic on the internet? IT MUST BE TRUE.

Ive seen that some place to I dont think the number was that high but it was in like a maxium or fhm mag because of them being so cheap i think it said of them having like a shelf life of 6 months from when someone buys it till its used in a crime

Common sense says this is just one of those Hi Point bash threads. Based on the other two million bash threads I will sum this up so that we can move on.

People that have Hi Points like them. People that do not have them hate them. Someone will write in and say they are better than X-brand.

This will cause a ruckus and another will write in claiming that he used to own one and it was a POS so he buried in the desert, tossed it in the ocean or some other bs.

It does not matter the name of the gun forum every one of these threads are pretty much identical.

hot pig where not saying this gun is better or worse then that gun where just saying there stats out to prove hi points are used in more gun crimes then other brands

gaudio5,

Source on the statistics you cited, please?

well I found a news paper link and a few other things in a short search of google maybe if you people looked alittle you could find things yourselfs but I take it most of you are fat and lazy like 99% of americas heres one link if you want more look your damnselfs http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/june99/guns11.htm

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well I found a news paper link and a few other things in a short search of google maybe if you people looked alittle you could find things yourselfs but I take it most of you are fat and lazy like 99% of americas heres one link if you want more look your damnselfs

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First off, it's been nice knowing you on THR because talk like that won't keep you around long.

Second, a newspaper article from a questionable source, at best, is hardly proof of anything. Google is not a "source", neither is a Washington Post article from 1999

But in the end, you no longer matter so it's not worth wasting the time talking with you.

See ya.



Now, for everyone else, the article referenced here is nonsense.

What the article actually says is that from 1996 through 1998 firearms traced back to ONE GUN SHOP, Realco, for the most part were Hi Points and Davis.

It's also an article on Washington, not Chicago, so maybe a geography class would be in order for johncolo as well.

So again, real proof that 70% of gun crime in Chicago has not been shown.

Yeah, you found it, but you apparently didn't bother to read it.

well I found a news paper link and a few other things in a short search of google maybe if you people looked alittle you could find things yourselfs but I take it most of you are fat and lazy like 99% of americas heres one link if you want more look your damnselfs

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It is common practice to cite the source for statistics one uses so that anyone interested doesn't have to search for the source - common courtesy, you know.

By the way, the 1999 article you linked to doesn't state anywhere "that 7 out of 10 crimes that have to do with a firearm in chicago involve a High Point firearm" and is limited to the Washington, D.C. area, not Chicago, so it's not really relevant to this discussion about criminal gun usage in Chicago, is it?

Your Google-fu is weak, johncolo.

A detailed read of the linked article does not support
the Chicago crime and high point claim that
70% of Chicago crime guns are High Points.

Crime guns displayed by local law enforcement agencies
here tend to be whatever is commonly on the market or
likely to be available to be stolen. Military and police
weapons often show up.

Calling our damnselves fat and lazy rather than presenting
verifiable facts is no way to convince us.

I have found too many claims made in the past based on very
small samples that border on anomalies rather than typical
samples. It is becoming harder to convince me in my old age.

it would be nice if gaudio5 posted some evidence or links

and if johncolo would not hijack

@ johncolo, New Member

I think it would be wise for you to keep your day job of researching stats for The Brady Center. You are apparently above their normal caliber (pun intended) of researcher.

having like a shelf life of 6 months from when someone buys it till its used in a crime

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That's very untrue. All of your claims are based on unsupported "information"(some of us would call them "lies").

Crime data is often very inaccurate. What is the Chicago Police Department's(and Cook County Sheriff's Dept) policy on reporting crime and more specifically reporting the make and model of every weapon used in a crime? Where can this data be collected? Certainly you can't tell me that only the media has access to this information?

I hope you have the sources to support your information, gaudio.

I think Carl's right on. Guns used in crime are guns that are easy to acquire, legally or otherwise.

Even if we ban Hi-point, the next gun in line will be 'the cheapest.' The public will then be crying out for the ban on importing 9x18's or some other noise.

Most cheap guns are in the hands of law abiding citizems who cannot afford anything more expensive. Any talk of banning such is a slap in the face of thousands of hard-working, tax-paying Americans who don't have enough spare money to buy a more expensive expression of their right to keep and bear arms. Since these people are often forced by finances to live in the more dangerous neighborhoods, their need is greater than their richer cousins.

In England, the first gun laws were to disarm the unwashed masses, but later used to disarm nearly all. Let's not go that direction!

hipoints?

I doubt it.In realistic terms, its more likely whatever weapon that can be stolen or used by a criminal at the moment,not a particuliar brand name.I doubt a criminal is going to care which brand name he/she uses in their next criminal act.Gee, should I use the craftsman tools with the lifetime warranty or the off brand to pop the lock?


As far as the brand goes, they are reasonably priced and if thats what you can afford, more power to you.My neighbor has one and I have shot it,its ok but not eyecandy as I would call it but it did work.Just because its an affordable choice to many doesnt equate it to being a choice to criminals.

As usual, its the criminal,not the gun.

I thought that they were all committed with "assault weapons" and easily concealible, rapid fire guns like the S&W 500.

Most cheap guns are in the hands of law abiding citizems who cannot afford anything more expensive. Any talk of banning such is a slap in the face of thousands of hard-working, tax-paying Americans who don't have enough spare money to buy a more expensive expression of their right to keep and bear arms.

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Obxned, I completely agree with this statement, and I applaud Hipoint for serving those people. The right to self-defense knows no tax brackets.

This thread has my BS meter pegged. Mike