If you like to CCW, don't go on this vacation:

Thanks for the info.

DH and I decided that in a few years, when the kid is old enough to appreciate it but still before her teen years, we want to rent an RV and see the sights out west. We're renting the RV because we don't want to be on a hotel/plane reservation timetable, and because we'll probably have a few firearms for protection.

Too bad about the policy; that trip sounded like it would have been neat.

I am tired of business bashing over their refusal to allow firearms on private property.

Businesses are like this because of the liability of some nutjob going crazy and shooting up the passengers. While this can happen regardless of any policy, the legal ramifications can lead to bankruptcy. What if they checked your pistol and it was stolen while in their custody; or suppose you forgot to remove a bullet and it went off while being inspected?

If I was having a neighborhood cookout and invited all the neighbors over and someone arrived I didn't know and said "here's my pistol; where can I store it?" The answer would be "AT YOUR HOUSE!"

Because someone won't let you bring your guns onto their property doesn't make them anti gun. They offered you several options to consider. I would contact the police department.

Re-read the beginning of the letter:

“TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
PART 2--RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION…
Sec. 2.4 Weapons, traps and nets…
(3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a
temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements
are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a
manner that will prevent their ready use….”




If I am not mistaken the above is a FEDERAL ban on firearms in national parks and they are only allowed in disassembled form in your vehicle. Since GC is a National Park, an economic boycott really would not do anything- like not paying your taxes - the railroad people are operating on Federal National Park property and are not in a position to override Federal laws (you have to be an elected government official to do that ). Didn't someone introduce a bill to allow carry in NP's? I think there are threads on this here on THR.

Am I correct here or are there mistaken assumptions?

States that have Native American Reservation land also have restrictions
governed by Indian Police and tribal chief. In each, different rules may
apply!

Does the state allow preemption? If not.
Concealed means concealed

I (briefly) perused their web site, and I don't see any reference to that policy; was it presented to you before you committed to the charge? If not, call and cancel, on the grounds that their conditions are unacceptable to you. If they refuse, or try to charge you for the cancellation, file a chargeback with your credit card, as they've altered the terms of the deal after it was struck.

Mind you, you can only do this if the terms and conditions weren't made available before you committed to them.

Businesses are like this because of the liability of some nutjob going crazy and shooting up the passengers. While this can happen regardless of any policy, the legal ramifications can lead to bankruptcy. What if they checked your pistol and it was stolen while in their custody; or suppose you forgot to remove a bullet and it went off while being inspected?

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Nutjobs typically don't contact the business ahead of time and make sure it's ok to bring a weapon to the scene of the crime they are about to commit. Law-abiding citizens, however, do. Letting the right ones carry can be the difference between 1 person dead and 32 people dead. The latter is worse for business.
If your gun "went off" while being inspected you would probably (and rightfully) be charged with whatever damage was caused, up to manslaughter or negligent homicide. Following the 4 rules can prevent that.
I do support private property rights however. If a place does not want me to be there armed, I'll take my business elsewhere, and I appreciate some of the heads ups I've gotten on here instead of walking up to a "no weapons allowed" sign and thinking "oh great, moral dilemna".

Didn't someone introduce a bill to allow carry in NP's?

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That was at the end of the last session, before the Dems took the majority, but after the last election. The sponsor was a lame duck, having lost re-election. The bill went nowhere before the inaugurationof the new congress critters and the start of the next session in January. Since it was introduced last session, it died. AFAIK, no one in the current congress has reintroduced the bill - and it certainly isn't likely to happen after the dem takeover, despite all the "pro-gun" Democrats that got elected.

Nutjobs typically don't contact the business ahead of time and make sure it's ok to bring a weapon to the scene of the crime they are about to commit. Law-abiding citizens, however, do. Letting the right ones carry can be the difference between 1 person dead and 32 people dead. The latter is worse for business.

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Drew, I am well aware of the probability of violence when one is confronted with an armed criminal versus a CCW occupant. Thanks for the statisitcal lesson that my 11 yo son already has a grasp on. But this is not the issue in this case as I pointed out.

The heads up about a company's CCW policy is nice. It is necessary that each gunowner research these policies prior to any engagement or reservation, but to declare "I hope to ruin their business" as was stated in the first post because someone doesn't share their view on CCW is absurd. How can anyone expect to have their rights to carry respected when this is their attitude?

Businesses are like this because of the liability of some nutjob going crazy and shooting up the passengers. While this can happen regardless of any policy, the legal ramifications can lead to bankruptcy. What if they checked your pistol and it was stolen while in their custody; or suppose you forgot to remove a bullet and it went off while being inspected?

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What you are overlooking is the fact that this particular private enterprise has a monopoly on providing a service into a national park. They would not exist without the taxpayer support that runs the Grand Canyon National Park.

Is there a metal detector that you must pass through?

If not, asking permission escapes me.

It seems that we are a step away from asking which side is acceptable to 'dress'.

What you are overlooking is the fact that this particular private enterprise has a monopoly on providing a service into a national park.

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Not overlooking anything. They have a contract with the NPS to provide these services. All contracts must be put out for bid.

Not overlooking anything. They have a contract with the NPS to provide these services. All contracts must be put out for bid.

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I'd like to know how that works for a railroad. How many competing companies own tacks and trains that lead into the Grand Canyon National Park?