Stop age discrimination!

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Oleg Volk

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Or there is the alternate angle. Make the right to vote, marry, enter contracts, etc. 21.

Not sure which is better.

If the argument is maturity at 18, then maybe it should be moved to 21 for everything.

However, if it is considered that they are mature enough to join the army (during which they would carry of course), marry, etc.... then I say they are legally adults and should be able to carry.

Personally, at age 18, I'm not sure I would have said I was mature enough to do any of those. So I almost say move the age up for the others to 21.

That's just based on my own personal memories of being 18 though.... some others may have been perfectly mature enough.

I agree in legislators making up their minds for an age for EVERYTHING... what that age should be is what is left to a question for me.
 
I agree in legislators making up their minds for an age for EVERYTHING... what that age should be is what is left to a question for me.

I agree. I returned from Vietnam when I was 19 and 4 months old. If I took R&R to Hawaii and came home to the East Coast (you weren't supposed to do that but I know guys who did) and I couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes (19now where I live) that wouldn't make much sense. The way things are now it's 18 to vote, sign a contract, or buy a long gun, 21 to buy a handgun, 21 to gamble (although some states where it's 18 to play slot machines). All these government thinkers who decide age limits need to decide a single age for everything.
 
Don't forget Uncle Sam gives them M-16s to carry, and gives them pistols to carry.

It's a stupid law! We need more 18-year-olds to vote!
 
The young at 17,18,19,20 have been dying for this country since this country's existance and they are dying in Iraq now but they cannot drink alchohol or own a pistol.
 
The American culture continues to treat our "children" as infants. In any other culture in the world, by the time a 'child' is 18, they have long been an adult.
We tend to treat our offspring as babies far longer than anyone else does.
 
I really like the poster, but the reflection on his left shoe makes it look like you can see her foot through his shoe. :what: I'm probably the only one that sees it that way, right? :scrutiny:
 
Oleg, I'm sure there is a very good reason for it... But why are all your women barefoot?

The Women's Studies minor in me is just dying to know!
 
I'm all for treating adults as adults, if the law of the land decides at 18 you are an adult you should receive all privileges of being an adult.

However recent studies have shown that the portion of the brain responsible for decision making isn't fully developed until about the age of 21. At about 21 we begin using an entirely different system for making decisions that is more capable of avoiding bad decisions. Prior to the change the brain uses a system based mostly on pro v.s. con which tends to favor immediate gratification vs long term consequences.

So there may be something to the age of 21 but the government didn't know that when they setup the laws.
 
I feel they should either decide that you are an adult at 21 or 18; once considered an adult you should have all the rights of an adult.

Personally, I'm 21 and I realize I've begun to think alot differently now (for example wanting to spend time with my parents, when I was in my teens I was embaressed to be seen with them, my dad is 65 and my mom is 56 and I know they won't be around forever).

The reason they allow you to join the armed services at 17 (with parental consent, 18 w/o) is the feeling of invincibility that is felt at that age. Now I'm not saying this to down our armed services, I thank every single member for fighting for us (even though I don't like how we were brought into the Iraq war and how its been handled, but thats not the services fault; its the damn politicians that won't even spend the money which is peanuts in relation to government spending to give them proper body armor and proper armor on their vehicles) so I can go to school and know we have brave young men and women to defend our country. But if you can't own a pistol at 18, why is one mature enough to decide weither they should join the armed forces.
 
Excellent as always, OLEG.

Didnt you do one with a star of david and the nazi's?
Or something along those lines.?
I want to send a copy to my Rabbi. I want to remind him what happens to people when you disarm them, making a "safe" society.
Like Adolph did.

thanks
 
dhoomonyou,

Yes. And mention to the Rabbi that men and women at the synagogue nearest to me wear sidearms. Being Jewish does not equal to being defenseless.
 
Doesn't the study alluded to above actually reference 25 years old for the brain development to be complete?

I know there are scores of idiot 21-25 year olds out there...members of our Armed Forces included.

Too bad there isn't an easy remedy for it!

-J-
 
Oleg,
What is it with you and ladies without shoes? :neener:
Nice idea, good implementation except for her bare feet.

Kharn
 
As I have said elsewhere, I think 21 is the right minimum age. The arguments for a younger age fail to take into consideration that it does not take a lot of maturity to follow orders and do what you are trained to do. That is not the same as carrying a concealed handgun.

Sure those 18 or close think they are mature, but you are not. Why do you think auto insurance companies charge more to insure those under 25? It is because those younger do not have the judgment or maturity, and have more accidents.

Regards,
Jerry
 
For the old-time posters, we did not have period shoes. In general, women I know seem to dislike wearing shoes in the house. I photographed them as they were.
 
Jerry: So, since the insurance companies are the authority on maturity, shouldn't 25 be the minimum carry age?

Oleg: Love the image.
 
If your old enough to be tried as an adult then your old enough to buy a pistol. Its hypocritical how a society only considers persons to be an adult when its beneficial to them economically or socially. The whole "Taxation without representation" is never alluded to, in spite of the fact that as soon as you start to work even if your only 13 your taxed basically sending your money to a government that wants to strip you of any rights.
 
Why dont we make the minumum age at 30

If I had a large estate to leave heirs they would only receive a fixed sum until the age of 25 and not the complete estate until 30. Everyone is not the same. Some are very responsible quite young some much later, just what past observations have taught me.
 
If the argument is maturity at 18, then maybe it should be moved to 21 for everything.

However, if it is considered that they are mature enough to join the army (during which they would carry of course), marry, etc.... then I say they are legally adults and should be able to carry.

Personally, at age 18, I'm not sure I would have said I was mature enough to do any of those. So I almost say move the age up for the others to 21.

Oh HECK no! We've got enough delayed adulthood behavior in this country - and the fact that we expect people to be adults so late in their lives is a large part of it.

Why do you think it is that you didn't think you were mature at 18, and that most people don't mature until several years after that point either? Maybe it's because they've been artificially restrained for 5 or more years, being forced to live the lives of 'children' when biologically and mentally, they're ready to start to assume the roles of adulthood?

I'd be more in favor of moving the age of adulthood back to 14 or 16, to be honest. That's when children cease to be children, typically, and start expressing interest in being an adult. It's traditionally closer to the age of adulthood. And furthermore, it would allow us to have 18-year-olds who have some (if only a little) life experience, allowing them to make slightly more informed decisions come election time.

Which, in conjunction with the public school systems, is precisely why it won't happen.
 
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