CARLSON:* It is a shoulder thing that goes up.*
I don‘t want to be mean to Carolyn Mccarthy, seems like a perfectly nice person, but that‘s pathetic.* She is attempting to ban something she can‘t identify.* She‘s writing laws for the rest of us having to do with thing she doesn‘t understand at all.* And I guess I would submit this is not an aberration.* This is a metaphor for Congress‘s attempt to ban guns.*
They don‘t know what the hell they‘re talking about.* Maybe they ought to take a deep breath, and think it through, before trying to forcing it on the rest of America, don‘t you think?*
PETER FENN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST:* I think taking a deep breath is not a bad idea, Tucker.* I will say, in her defense, she lost a husband and a son to a random act of violence on a train.*
CARLSON:* How‘s that her defense?* She‘s trying to make a law that affects 300 million Americans.* She should know what is in it.*
FENN:* I don‘t know what a barrel shroud is.
CARLSON:* You are not trying to ban them.* She is.*
FENN:* I understand that, but she has fought very well, over a long period of time, for gun control and she believes very strongly in it.* I do not happen to agree with her on all of it.* I think it‘s too bad that we all don‘t know what a barrel shroud is, or you probably do by now.*
CARLSON:* I did before, but I guess the point is you ought to know what you are talking about before you try to impose your views on other people.* This is emblematic of what I see all the time on this specific subject, gun control.* The weapon looks scary.* It looks like something I saw on television.* It‘s bad!*
It relentlessly dumb.* Why aren‘t we spending our time trying to figure out what to do about the mentally ill who are prone to violence.* That‘s the conversation we ought to be having, don‘t you think?
STEVE MCMAHON, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST:* Absolutely, we should be having that.* But we should also be having a conversation about what
hunting purpose
is served by a gun that can empty 20 or 25 rounds a second into whatever it is that it is being fired at.*
CARLSON:* No guns sold in America can empty 20 rounds a second.*
Moreover, the second amendment says nothing about hunting.*
MCMAHON:* But that‘s the defense that every Republican uses; I‘m a hunter.*
CARLSON:* I don‘t know what every Republican says.*
I‘m telling you that hunting is not the reason, or the reason at all, we have a second amendment.* Hunting has nothing to do with it.
MCMAHON:* Well, militias have something to do with it.* Originally many people believed that the intention of the framers was that people should be able to keep guns in order to form militias.*
Well guess what, we have militias now.* We have the National Guard; we have the military.*
CARLSON:* How did they do on Monday in Blacksburg?
MCMAHON:* The question is what kind of guns do people need?* What kind of guns have a legitimate
hunting purpose?* And I don‘t think there is anybody talking about banning those kind of guns.* It is the kind of guns that fire a number of rounds, maybe not 20 rounds a second, but it certainly is far more rounds than a hunter needs to kill a deer or bird.*
CARLSON:*
Again, hunting has nothing to do with it.* The obvious question is, wait a second, why is it crazy to say that if a student had had a gun—the police didn‘t do diddly for the victims of this crime.* They didn‘t do anything.* They showed up when it was over.* I‘m not attacking the police.* I‘m merely saying they weren‘t enough.* Neither was the National Guard or any militia or the U.S. Army, for that matter.
Why would it have been a bad idea if one of the students had a concealed weapons permit, he could have saved lives?* Why is that a crazy notion?
FENN:* That‘s a great idea, give the students concealed weapons to take to class.
CARLSON:* This guy killed 32 people.*
FENN:* Let me tell you why, because instead of getting in an argument and punching somebody in the jaw, somebody is going to pull out a gun and knock the guys block off.***
CARLSON:* How often does this happen in Virginia?* They have a concealed weapons permit.
FENN:* Not too many people were carrying guns in this place.* If we want to solve this problem, Tucker, we ought to take a look, again,
at the kind of clips that we‘re talking about that you don‘t need for hunting, cop killer bullets.* The other thing, which I fully support, and the NRA supports, is that you have got to have information on people, so that when they go in there, a guy like this, who has been put into a mental hospital, who clearly showed signs of violence, who clearly has a problem, is somehow identified and prevented from purchasing two guns in a month and a half.*
CARLSON:* Let me just say; let me just make a statement of fact, then we can move on.* That is already the law.* If you have been adjudicated mentally ill, you are not allowed to buy a gun.*
FENN:* Well, he wasn‘t on this list.
CARLSON:* I‘m fully aware of that.* He should have been.* Just to make it clear for our viewers, that is the law and has been for years.*
MCMAHON:* Well, it hasn‘t worked.***
