Ron Paul taking Giuliani to the woodshed

I have to admit I don't know a whit about Ron Paul, and he may be the second coming, but:

1. Rudy (the gun grabbing elitist) made him look like a fool in the last debate.

2. The guy doesn't have "presence". Again, he may be the best for the job, but he HAS TO GET ELECTED. Sheeple vote for people who are attractive (look at Clinton for G**'s sake), or who they trust and feel comfortable with (Reagan).

3. He is not Fred Dalton Thompson...

GO FRED!

My personal opinion... Ron Paul is a complete idiot.

After a nearly four-month standoff between the Democratic-controlled Congress and the White House, the House and Senate passed a war funding bill Thursday evening that does not contain timetables for the withdrawal of U.S. troops.

In the Senate, the bill passed overwhelmingly, 80-14, though three of four Democrats running for president -- Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and Barack Obama, D-Ill. -- were in the minority voting against funds for the wars.

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It should be noted that Ron Paul voted against funding the troops as well... just like the POS Democrats listed above. As far as I'm concerned he just spit in the faces of our troops fighting overthere... whether you agree with the reasons for being there or not. He's a POS like the above Democrats. To me, Ron Paul, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd are all one in the same. Face reality, he will never get elected. After his 9/11 screw up and spitting in the faces of our troops he has no chance....at all.

It should be noted that this war funding bill wasn't just for Iraq, but Afghanistan as well... which I have friends over there serving right now.

Again, all my personal opinions... some of you that support Ron Paul can continue to drool... but I will do everything in power (which isn't much) to make sure he doesn't get elected.

*continue drool fest...

Furthermore, the idea that Ron Paul is the only person in the entire presidential race that will actually do what he says is completely fanciful.

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I never insinuated he was. I am worried that some of the candidates WILL do exactly what they say. As far as the cost...I'm not sure what you're asking, but it can't be much worse than an out of touch government that is no longer responding to the will of the people...no matter which party wins the presidency.

JS

This is the High Road.

Just as you made comments about RP voting to deny funding to the troops, I could also make denigrating comments about putting them there in the first place when it was not a matter of national security and we had better enemies to fight elsewhere. It is not spitting in the troops faces trying to get them out of a war that the administration has mismanaged, and maintained with what looks like a primary objective of repaying debts to rich friends.

Bush is reading a ploy right out of LBJ's playbook for Vietnam.

Mongo the Mutterer said

I have to admit I don't know a whit about Ron Paul, and he may be the second coming, but:

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Education is a good thing. I don't think he is the second coming, but he IS the only candidate that follows, votes, and supports the Constitution.
He has years of voting and writing that can be checked. read some about him and what he is about here.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/
js said,

My personal opinion... Ron Paul is a complete idiot.

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Everybody has opinions, You could educate yourself. Your stated reasons for your dislike is not very well informed.

Supporting Ron Paul sends a message all by itself. He doesn't have to win.

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I love this line of thinking. Let's send a message by voting for someone that can't win (or not voting all together) meanwhile the far left comes into power and resumes their anti-gun tirade.

I bet those that had this same idea and voted against Republican's or didn't vote at all in the 2006 election are proud they "sent a message" even though it allowed Congress to fall under the control of far left wing of the Dem party and the emergence of freighting anti-gun legislation like the Carolyn McCarthy "Assault Weapons Ban."

When we finally do regain control of Congress and/or the White House and are having to fight an up hill battle just to regain the freedoms we lose under the Dems because we "sent a message", I hope the fact that we "sent the message" is viewed as a fair trade off.

Zen21Tao

When we finally do regain control of Congress and/or the White House and are having to fight an up hill battle just to regain the freedoms we lose under the Dems because we "sent a message", I hope the fact that we "sent the message" is viewed as a fair trade off.

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Who is we?
I am very concerned about the freedom we have lost under the Republicans.
The message is, STOP trampling the Constitution.
Ron Paul is reminding everyone what the Constitution says.
I believe the people are ready for a change.
We, the People.

When we finally do regain control of Congress and/or the White House and are having to fight an up hill battle just to regain the freedoms we lose under the Dems because we "sent a message", I hope the fact that we "sent the message" is viewed as a fair trade off.

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I have a c-note here that says there will be no such campaign to regain freedoms if your scenario plays out. There is no difference between the R's or the D's that are in power or the spotlight...it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.

Besides, I'm not one of the "we", and likely never will be again.

He is an abysmal public speaker.

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Yes ... that was my first impression. He has some good ideas but cannot convey them in an effective manner. Probably comes from his nature as NOT being a BS artist. BS artists tend to perfect the art of public speaking.

I have a c-note here that says there will be no such campaign to regain freedoms if your scenario plays out. There is no difference between the R's or the D's that are in power or the spotlight...it's 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.

Besides, I'm not one of the "we", and likely never will be again.

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I agree 100%. Neither PARTY is interested in doing anything to regain our "freedoms". Certain indiiduals in either party may be, but it's not part of anyone's platform.

Remember - their goal is to get elected. The difference between Republicans and Democrats is primarily who they are buying their votes from.

Republicans from the wealthy, upper middle class business owners, Southern conversatives, relligious right, etc.

Democrats from minorities, the poor, and anyone that can be made to feel "victimized" by the Republicans.

pcosmar said:

Education is a good thing. I don't think he is the second coming, but he IS the only candidate that follows, votes, and supports the Constitution.

He has years of voting and writing that can be checked. read some about him and what he is about here.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

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I appreciate the offer, and I will check out the site at my leisure, but keep in mind this guy can't get elected. I only saw him for 2 minutes on TV and figured out he has no charisma, none, zip, zero, nada...

Sorry Paul fans, Fred Dalton Thompson is the man. Unless you really want Rudy?

Thompson with Paul as his running mate for '08.

Furthermore, the idea that Ron Paul is the only person in the entire presidential race that will actually do what he says is completely fanciful.

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Please list the people

It seems that the odds are getting better.
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Odds-053107.html

Stage 2 said:

I hate to interrupt the lemming mentality that Paul supporters have, but what about Thompson? After today its all but confirmed that he's running. The only person on the stage who's more conservative than Thompson is your wunderchild and he can't get elected.

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Says you. Thompson is pretty much a party-line voter. No thanks.

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As for Thompson being the "perfect" candidate its a whole bunch of bunk. The onlt perfect candidate is yourself, and since yourself ain't running there is going to be some compromise in their somewhere. Better a little with Thompson than everything with a Democrat.

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Actually, I disagree with Paul on a couple things. But that's ok, because he believes the government should get out of my life and my pocket.

As far as the issues I care about, he might as well be a Democrat. Great, he supports guns. So does Bush, in theory. And look how much he's done.

I only saw him for 2 minutes on TV and figured out he has no charisma, none, zip, zero, nada...

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Wow, a whole two minutes? Well, then - you've done more research than 80% of the whole voting public, so I guess there's no need to dig any deeper into stances or voting record.
By the by, I saw Thompson on TV for nearly 3 full minutes, during which time he said a naughty word, thus making it impossible for him to get votes from the "Religious Right". So since they are both undeniably unelectable, I guess it's back to Guiliani for us, right?

Dear God!

FINALLY! A Republician who makes sense! The rest are "fat, pasty white old men" ( media quoate) who are out of touch.

Saw the Daily Show with Paul and he gave a wonderful history of how we have been in the Middle East for decades and really messing with these guys.

\i don't like it but I can understand THEM hating us. We would be in the streets too but I think we are better armed and much better shots.

Paul makes sense as does Edwards. Tough choice since I was fooled by BUSH and the Rep PArty and do not trust easily once they broke the faith.

I also saw the daily show and he did makes some points on the Mid East. Still my verdict is still out on him though.

He's the only candidate who has said anything about property rights and specifically named Kelo vs. New London.

Posted by Zen21Tao:

I love this line of thinking. Let's send a message by voting for someone that can't win (or not voting all together) meanwhile the far left comes into power and resumes their anti-gun tirade.

I bet those that had this same idea and voted against Republican's or didn't vote at all in the 2006 election are proud they "sent a message" even though it allowed Congress to fall under the control of far left wing of the Dem party and the emergence of freighting anti-gun legislation like the Carolyn McCarthy "Assault Weapons Ban."

When we finally do regain control of Congress and/or the White House and are having to fight an up hill battle just to regain the freedoms we lose under the Dems because we "sent a message", I hope the fact that we "sent the message" is viewed as a fair trade off.

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You really need to lay off the red kool-aid. All the years the Republicans controlled the house and senate and held the presidency...they really rolled back the gun control legislation didn't they. Oh, well I'm sure they will next time.

We helped Saddam in his war with Iran, we provided weapons and intelegence information.

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Just to be clear, we provided sanitized intel from satellites.

State Dept allowed the sale of dual use equipment over the objections of DoD. (Yes, I'm blaming the liberals.)

At no point did we sell him actual weapons. No AKs, no Rolands, no ZSUs, no MiGs, no Mils, no Aerospatiales, no PKMs, no T72s, no...

As far as I'm concerned he just spit in the faces of our troops fighting overthere... whether you agree with the reasons for being there or not.

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My wife and I are two of those troops. I know several hundred others personally. Even if we disagree with his opposition to the war, we don't believe he spit on us.

We also don't like people speaking for us as if we're not capable of doing so ourselves.

For example, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia is often cited as a motivator for Bin Ladin- but Bin Ladin didn’t complain because there were foreign troops in Saudi Arabia, he complained because infidels were in the ‘Holy Land’.

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Which is ironic, as we had troops in Saudi Arabia at least as early as the 1970s, at ELF stations.

OBL is trying to become the Caliph. He's a power hungry madman, and the only solution is a bullet in the head and feed the body to the pigs, on Youtube.