"War is coming to Tucson"

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Wow, Matt. It's starting sooner than later.

It won't be long until someone in a white or black neighborhood gets killed. Then, some illegal Mexicans will get killed. Charges of racism will be thrown out and flatly denied followed by "This is our land."

The response will be "No! This is our land. You stole it Yanqui!"

Then, people will start to disappear. Then we won't be able to stop this peacefully. It'll end when one side or the other kicks the crap out of the other. All because the U.S. government decided to violate the Constitution, and fight a stupid war across the globe instead of defending our backyard.

Worse part is it won't just be Arizona.

Most of my family lives in Texas and California. Many of them may die, many THR members may die. It will be the government's fault. They will have been able to prevent it.

They leach taxes exhorbitantly if you are upper middle class/wealthy, and prevent the poor from getting decent jobs with "free trade" policies that are anything but. They demand we service a debt born of their incompitance. They devalue our currency, and sell bonds to nations openly hostile to us. They then have the nerve to shirk their duty to defend us. After doing a bunch of things that the states (if anyone) is supposed to do, they can't even defend the borders. Now, a bunch of Americans are gonna be forced to defend themselves....

I'm gonna get a glass, come coke, and a bottle of rum and stew....

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I hate all of them.
 
I hate all of them.

I usually describe those traitors in Washington and in our state and local governments with acidic words that our not fit for THR.
 
Mhhh...odd, seeing as you're closer to the mess than I am, and I'm getting annoyed at the impact the mess is making in my region.

But you go right on ahead rearranging the deck chairs, and pay no attention to that iceberg people claim is dead in front of us.

Well I would but I don't have deck:neener:

I guess I should be more spacific, I'm .01% MORE worried after reading this article. Don't get me wrong this is a problem, but I didn't read anything in the article that I didn't already know. I also have a few issues with some of the points the author made, but I won't get into that. Also a lot of this is old news, I've been saying for years the violence is spreading across the border, especially with the increasing numbers of illegals joining dangerous gangs like MS13.

My fear isn't so much the illegals crossing the border its the ones that are already here. As the government makes it harder for illegals to become employed and keep employment more are going to turn to crime and gang life as a means to survive. I read an article about this a few months ago and that made my panic meter go up quite a bit. Desperation breeds violence and as more illegals cross the border and find out that no one will risk hiring them, then they will go to extremes just like they would if they were back in Mexico, only here there is more to plunder.

Thats my greatest fear:uhoh:
 
Desperation breeds violence and as more illegals cross the border and find out that no one will risk hiring them, then they will go to extremes just like they would if they were back in Mexico, only here there is more to plunder.

On the other hand, more people here have the means to ventilate them if they break in to our houses. Wouldn't take long for them to decide that they'd prefer to head back south instead of "departing for the west" at the hands of a homeowner with a shotgun.
 
The "give me your tird, poor, and huddled masses etc" sign is al well and good, provided said tired poor and huddledpeple go thru the correct and legal chanels to enter this country LEGALLY!! I don't have a problem with the eople who take thetime, effort, and expense to do t right. I DO ake issue with the urcins that ener this country looking for ahand out. I DO take issue with the pregnant women (EVERY Mexican woman) who crosses the borde just to plop her brat out in our country so shegets free healh care during and ater he birthing (at our expense) and hrand he dirty litte bratget the added perk of becoming automtic Citezens, no paperwork or anything required. I DO take issue with the people sayin its ok to hire illeals to work the so called "jobs that nobody else will do." thats B.S. theres plenty of homeless and unempoyd people who woull be glad to do it, bu they can't because someone would rather hire an illegal and pay him under the table so said person doesn't have to pay taxes on said salary. I DO take issue with our lazy teenagers who up until a few year ago would have gladly taken those minimum wage jobs.

Face it, we need to do something about this and soon. the time to be PC and happy is over. Its time to get serious and use force. If Mexico sucks so bad these people need to stay there and fix it istead of coming here and taking our country down too.

for the record I like the minefield idea, that or volunteers armed at the borderto put them down before they set foot on U.S. soil. by trying o enter this country illegally they are breaking the law and should well be treated as such. No more free rides

If these folks need to learn English to come here, shouldn't you learn it too?
 
If these folks need to learn English to come here, shouldn't you learn it too?

Omniimpotent - Welcome to the high road !

I don't want to take issue with you early, but we already have a sizable spelling and grammer police force . If there is part of what was printed that you don't understand then by all means ask for clarification, but in my opinion it is the message that is important and not what grade you received in spelling, or how well you can type - that's a different board I think.
 
Not trying to throw the thread off track, but take a look at the screen name two posts above this. A close look.:D
 
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–adjective 1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.
–noun 3. an omnipotent being.
4. the Omnipotent, God.


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I have no idea what the other posters name is??:D
 
This is not a thread about immigration, or even illegal immigration. It's a thread about Mexico coming apart, with a virtual state of war going on, and that war spilling over due to our lack of an effective border. Here is a related article from yesterday.

"It's like living in a war zone"
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/185335
Arizona Daily Star
Tim Ellis
May 31,2007

Everyone in Amado, Arivaca and other small communities south of Green Valley agrees that something must be done to stem the smuggling of illegal immigrants and drugs through the area.

But most think it should be done closer to the U.S.-Mexico border — not 30 miles to the north, where the Border Patrol has proposed building a permanent checkpoint on Interstate 19.

"There's this feeling that if you're against the checkpoint, you're against the Border Patrol," said Stewart Loew, a lifelong resident who manages his family's Agua Linda Farm near Amado.

"That's not true. They have a very difficult job … we support them 100 percent," Loew said. "But we don't support them doing it 30 miles from the border."

Kent Bader, who lives in nearby Aliso Springs, agrees — and, she said, so does just about everyone else who lives in the area.

"Every time I talk with my neighbors, every meeting I go to, that's the first question that people are asking: Why isn't it (the checkpoint) closer to the border?


"It's like our government is giving 20, 30 miles of our country back to Mexico," she said. "I don't know of one person who's for it. Not one."

Border Patrol officials say a permanent checkpoint north of the border is essential because no matter how many resources the agency places along the border, some smugglers will get through — especially in rugged areas, as in the Pajarita Wilderness, where agents can't easily go.

Jesus Rodriguez, a spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector, uses a football analogy to explain the need for a checkpoint north of the border, comparing the Border Patrol with a team playing defense.

"If you have all your players on the front line and no one as a backup, then if a player breaks free from that first tier of defense, they're home free," he said.

Danger in neighborhoods

The shootouts between smugglers and the Border Patrol and other law-enforcement agencies — and between rival smuggling gangs — have soured the locals on the idea of checkpoints, permanent or temporary.

Bader said the temporary checkpoint at kilometer post 42 "is making it very dangerous to live here."

"Two or three weeks ago, there was a high-speed chase on Tubac Road," Bader said in an interview last week. "They were chasing a guy in a car, right in the middle of Tubac Road, like 2 in the afternoon.

"People use that road like a sidewalk to go around to the shops," she said. "Can you imagine what would've happened if a bunch of tourists were out on the road when that happened?

"It's outrageously dangerous. It's very scary for the residents, very scary for the businesses, very scary for the tourists," Bader said.

"It's like living in a war zone."

Loew, 38, said he and his neighbors believe they're innocent victims in the battle against smugglers.

During a recent telephone interview, a Customs and Border Patrol helicopter was hovering somewhere nearby, clearly audible to the caller on the other end of the line.


"There's a helicopter flying over me right now," he said. "They're doing their interdictions, and they're doing it in the bedroom communities around here."

Border Patrol officials acknowledge that some of the violence in the area over the past few months is caused by criminals trying to get around the checkpoints by cutting through the communities scattered along both sides of I-19 south of Green Valley.

The officials have been trying to assure the locals that the flanking activity caused by smugglers' trying to evade the temporary checkpoint will stop once a permanent checkpoint is built around kilometer post 50.

"You're not seeing the benefits of a permanent checkpoint. You're seeing the impacts of a temporary checkpoint," John Fitzpatrick, agent in charge of the Nogales Border Patrol station, told a group of about 100 residents at a recent meeting in Green Valley.

The need for the checkpoint is clear, he said. There are more illegal-immigrant and illegal-drug busts in the Tucson Sector than in any other along the U.S.-Mexico border —and it's the only sector without a permanent checkpoint.

A permanent checkpoint would provide facilities for more sophisticated equipment, like a new radar system that will soon be deployed along the border, Fitzpatrick said at the May 14 meeting of the Community Workgroup on Southern Arizona Checkpoints.

The group, formed earlier this year by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., allows members of the public a chance to voice their opinion on where to build the checkpoint.

Rodriguez, the Border Patrol spokesman, declined to say last week when federal officials will make that decision, and when the checkpoint will begin operating.


But, it will be built somewhere around kilometer post 50, because it's a strategic chokepoint just north of where several smaller roads converge and where smuggling activity can be detected far to the east and west of I-19.

Rodriguez also could not say how long it would take for criminal activity to stop once the permanent checkpoint is built.

"We can't tell you when, but it's going to calm down," he said. "It will have that effect.

"Once you saturate the area with agents and technology . . . over time, if you keep knocking down loads of narcotics or loads of illegal aliens, they'll go someplace else," he said.
 
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"It's like our government is giving 20, 30 miles of our country back to Mexico," she said. "I don't know of one person who's for it. Not one."
 
"Once you saturate the area with agents and technology . . . over time, if you keep knocking down loads of narcotics or loads of illegal aliens, they'll go someplace else," he said.

Yeah, they'll keep going North, through you or around you.


May God have mercy on your souls...At least the government will be there to help a few weeks after it gets bad.
 
The government may show up to help a few weeks after it gets bad, but to help who?

Lets face it the gov. has a habit of turning on its own citizens and appeasement is the order of the day.

Jefferson
 
Repeal some of the idiotic laws against smoking pot and the border violence would drop off about 90%.

Question for the people suggesting shooting civilians and laying mine fields. What the hell is wrong with you?
 
We have militias. Raise and deploy them.

The Minute Man Project shows what happens when citizens get involved and just do it. It was extremely successful.
 
We have to put out water stations so the illegals don't die of thirst.

Sorry if this sounds ignorant of the situation south, but is this statement true?? If so that is extremely disappointing.
 
Way back, when I was a young frostbiker, dad and I hunted in South Texas. Goliad and Victoria to be precise. When I was about 12 years old, I started seeing blue shoeboxes up in trees along the highway. "Dad, what are those shoeboxes doing in the trees?" I asked. They were placed their by a bunch of Aggies checking the northbound migration of Africanized Killer Bees. After a couple of years, the boxes moved further north. I'm over 30 now, and haven't see a blue shoebox in years.

Most recently, I have been seeing pale green Ford Broncos and Chevy Tahoes parked along the side of the highway near our deer camp in Freer, south of Goliad. These are the blue shoeboxes of our day. Checking on the migration of illegals flooding into our country from the porous southern border. These guys are staked out along typical lines of movement to trap wayward illegals. And they shoot back if fired upon. Well, at least in theory. They actually advise hunters and ranchers in the area to carry defensive weapons on their person alongside their hunting rifles and shotguns.

How long before those green 'shoeboxes on wheels' move north as the illegals take over our country? Austin? Dallas? Topeka? Chicago?
 
what is going on....

You know, i am usually not open to disclose personal information about myself. Before i do, I would like to bring up something i saw on THR a couple of weeks back. Someone posted a thread asking if you would sell a gun to a Muslim. I didnt comment because to me it was plain RASCIST and ignorant. By ignorant i mean that "a MUSLIM" is not a type of person which you can describe by color of skin or appearance. Its a religion! So it was almost like saying "a Christian" or "a Jew" or "a Chatholic".......IMHO it was RASCIST, and not THR.....

So, today i see this thread....it started about war in Mexico and violence slowly moving in to our country. Somehow it turned into 'Mexicans / illegals taking over "our" country'......although this is not a Rascist comment, i sense a feeling of dislike of Mexican people altoghether in some of the posts. To say that illegals are taking over our country shows that when you look at a Mexican person you stop and think "are they illegal?" If that is not Stereotypical or maybe even a bit Rascist......:fire:...
heck, how about this, when you see all the violence on TV, and they show a young black male as the perp, then flip the channel and see Black Actor or Artist on that channel do you say "these blacks are taking over our country"?

the reason this gets me fired up is because although i was born in this country, my parents were not. They were born in Cuba. They came here in the 1970 and i was born shortly after in Miami. A city which at the time was over run by drugs, money, murder, corruption and Hispanics! Cubans, Columbians, Mexicans.....I remember my mom and dad busting their arse working hard in a t-shirt factory to earn every nice thing they ever had. As a kid who spoke english i remember hearing people say they were illegals, or drug dealers or some rascist comment and i would get so mad.

To hear comments like "illegals are taking over our country" or questions like "would you sell a gun to a muslim" is really making me feel uncomfortable being here. I agree with the fact that illegal immigrants should not be allowed to enter this country freely but i have no problems with Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, White, Black, Catholic, Muslim or any immigrants coming to 'our' country to work and establish themselves. It would not bother me if the minority in our country became the majority. Some of you may disagree with me and some may see where i am coming from, honestly, i had to get it off my chest because i am seeing more and more rascist comments and questions on THR and i dont feel comfortable here.
 
Tony,

I don't disagree with you that some comments are out of line, and at times there are indeed racist type remarks made. That is unfortunate . The subject involkes a lot of passionate debate, and at least some anger.

That said, you must also uderstand that the reason the "Mexican" nationals are being talked about is because that is where the largest problems with illegal influx is coming from.

The reason this thread started is because of how the porisity of our southern border effects the citizens of this country, including the violence that can so easily spread across the border and has.

No, it's not about immigration , it is about illegal trespass , and no, it is not about Mexican nationals, it is about illegal alien influx of which Mexican nationals are by far the largest portion.

I always have considered the largest part of this problem to be owned by the USA . Employers who want cheap labor to increase their profits . I have nothing against anyone for their beliefs, size, color of their skin, etc.

I do however believe that one must own their behavior , and to the 10 to 20 million estimated Mexican nationals who are in this country illegaly I have no trouble saying "Go home and fix your problems there" . The same goes for all illegals from anywhere (not immigrants - ILLEGALS) - we have immigration laws, follow them .

Now as US citizens we should work to fix our government - the one that has allowed this problem to grow to such proportion that we have to continue national debate over its issues.
 
I didnt comment because to me it was plain RASCIST and ignorant. By ignorant i mean that "a MUSLIM" is not a type of person which you can describe by color of skin or appearance. Its a religion! So it was almost like saying "a Christian" or "a Jew" or "a Chatholic".......IMHO it was RASCIST, and not THR.....

"Inconceivable!"
"You keep saying that word. I don't think that word means what you think it means."
Tony, I think you are confusing "race" with "religion." Stll, your point is well taken. Bigotry (I think that's the word you were looking for) shows up in subtle and not-so-subtle ways in any large group of prople who are frustrated by a situation. It is actually relatively rare here on THR, and almost never goes unchallenged. That is the beauty of this interactive medium. When it really crosses the line, the perpetrator is is disciplined or removed.

I hope you will choose to stick around here and contribute to the dialog. Your point of view is useful to the vast majority of us born and raised in "middle America." Don't be surprised if some fire back at you (verbally, that is). Attack/defend the argument and/or it basis. Personal attacks are not tolerated and should be reported to a moderator.
 
ChrisMG, yes, the brother of Duncan Hunter, who is running for President, has been very active in providing waterstations for the corporations' work force.

frostbiker, they are already in Chicago, washing dishes and working hard.:)

War in Tucson?:rolleyes: Someone is posting their 8th graders hyperbole from Creative Writing class again?:D

1. Border has always been violent.
2. Those that live down there assume the risk for the violence.
3. It is up to those that live there to maintain law and order.
4. The hyperventilating "violence on the border" is nothing more than a shakedown to siphon money from the public trough to the border states.
5. Shooting 17 year olds who aspire to wash dishes in Indianapolis accomplishes nothing and is counterproductive.
 
Repeal some of the idiotic laws against smoking pot and the border violence would drop off about 90%.

Temporarily maybe, the drug dealers will then either move on to other criminal activities, or start selling other drugs.

Repealing prohibition didn't stop the gangs, for the most part they moved to other rackets.
 
Most replys in this thread have it RIGHT

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Sorry if I don't take this very seriously, after reading this article my panic meter jumped about .01%
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Mhhh...odd, seeing as you're closer to the mess than I am, and I'm getting annoyed at the impact the mess is making in my region.

But you go right on ahead rearranging the deck chairs, and pay no attention to that iceberg people claim is dead in front of us. ;)
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PERFECT!!!!


There are a few out there that seem to live in caves, don't read or listen to the news.. OR, just look around and see WHAT's happening, and by WHOM. Problably don't drink coffee or smell the roses nor, pay much in taxes.

Must be nice to rent a living space, cheap. :rolleyes:


Thank God, they only represent a few VOTES.. :neener:


LS
 
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