N.H Officer Killed, attacker killed by passer-by

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The town in question is a very small one, not some bustling metropolis infamous for high-speed chases, etc. Speeding isn't a felony nor a misdemeanor (in any state I've lived in thus far, merely a "civil" infraction). The whole incident could have been avoided at one of several points: Kenney not speeding, McKay not pursuing Kenney for a civil infraction, Kenney not leaving the scene (instead of simply waiting there and refusing to talk/roll down the window, etc.), McKay not chasing after Kenney (small town, known agent, remember?), McKay not hosing down Kenney with pepper spray, Kenney not blowing his top and using lethal force...

Speeding's criminal. But were it not, refusing to stop, and running from a lawful stop is criminal. Evading in a vehicle is a felony in many jurisdictions (like Texas).

Given the potential danger of a person evading in a vehicle from a law enforcement officer, combined with the fact that the violator has already been convicted of assaulting that officer, should the officer wait to be attacked by the violator again? What about the duty to the community? Arresting the boy was the way to go. He used an intermediate weapon to attempt to disable a non-cooperative violent felon, in a lawful arrest. He was shot for his trouble.

Saying that there was bad blood, simply on the basis of the fact that the officer had been a victim of the man's attack previously and had again pulled the man over again, is far too simplistic. Understand-- in a small town, the local cop deals with the same guys, over and over again. If you've got a particularly messy kid, you're going to have to deal with his messes again and again. Friends, I've been there. I could name you three guys that I've had situations with in the past, that I'll have situations with again. It's not that I'm "gunning for them," it's just that they're prone to it. To say that they're not is to ignore their histories. I would LOVE to see these guys rehabilitated. But they'll be out, and committing crimes, and meeting me and my handcuffs, before this year is through. And someone will probably claim that, because I dealt with them last time, that I've got "bad blood" with them. Nope. I just happen to know their names, and their histories. That doesn't change the objective facts of whatever harebrained act they commit next time.

In a small town, we regularly have just one guy on duty. Getting "another officer" isn't an option without calling one in from another agency. That's not the officer's job or duty. The violator, if he doesn't like the way things are being handled, can surely lodge his protests with the chief, the City, and the state and federal courts. Creating a scene at the side of the road will always put the guy who was stopped in the wrong. Why do that, when you can very possibly win in court or in the court of public opinion, later?

Every drop of blood spilled in this case was at the hands of Liko Kenney.

But at least we can all agree on this: Thank God for Gregory Floyd and his son.
 
...let's pull some specifics out of the mire....

Kenney's own aunt had taken a restraining order out against him because of his violent, threatening behavior against her, made on her own property.

Kenney's own uncle said he was glad that Floyd shot his nephew, because he likely saved the lives of others.

Kenney's famous cousin is quoted as saying that he fought an 84 in a 40 speeding ticket in court for the sole purpose of irritating Officer McKay.

Kenney would have been in jail, if Officer McKay had not told the judge to go light on him?

Because there's no one alive to charge with McKay's murder, the forensic evidence isn't coming out, but everything is pointing to Kenney shot McKay four times in the back while he was walking away from Kenney's car, and then proceeded to run him over (potentially more than once).
 
???

"Two people are dead, without a good reason for dying. A little more reason on both sides, might have resulted in a different outcome. Pointing all of the blame either way, when we have no idea of the full history, is just guesswork.

Nice to see the High Road alive and well.

Michael"

one dead without a good reason, the other, depending on the capitol punishment laws of the state was probably gonna be dead sooner or later anyway.
 
So Kenney ran from the cops when stopped for speeding. Then shot the cop 4 times and ran him over. Then sat there beside the road until a "passerby" who had previously threatened to kill police came by and shot HIM with the COPS gun. Am I the only one who thinks Floyd may have been more than a passerby?
 
The investigation has concluded, and Floyd and McKay have been pronounced heroes. Kenney has been pronounced an unstable psycopath.

Case closed in 48 hours.
 
"They're trying to demonize this guy as much as possible."

Someone made that comment about Floyd. That guy's got quite a rap sheet; I wouldn't exactly call it "demonizing" to bring it out in the open.

It all does sound strange. They happened upon the scene and then were able to get the officer's weapon and shoot a guy who was already holding a weapon?

Also, while Kenney was indeed the bad guy (one of the bad guys?) in this case, did he have a good reason to fear for his life? Again, he chose his fate and that of the officer by shooting. But I do believe he had reason to fear for his life, right or wrong.
 
What’s happening here is to many Monday Morning Quarterbacks :cuss::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
The state is going to release the videotape from McKay's cruiser. Public pressure became too much. I hope this ends all the rumour and innuendo about Kenney, McKay, and Floyd once and for all.

I really, really hope that everthing went down the way the State AG described it.
 
I watched the Video as well... while it is odd that the officer walked up and pepper sprayed him... then turned his back and waled away. If you watch the video on youtube from the 2003 arrest of Liko Kenney by the same officer I can understand why the officer would want to use pepper spray.
 
I don't get why the officer is pushing the car with his car.

I certainly don't get the nonchalant blast of pepper spray and then walking away with your back turned. Is this standard operating procedure or a "guess I just showed them" attitude?
 
crazy. simply crazy. i'm glad the passerby handled the situation or the BG might have gone on to do more harm.

/salute Officer McKay, rest in peace

p.s. it pisses me off that they have to include ties to celebrity. the guy being related to a famous skier is completely irrelevant, and takes away from the fact that we lost a man serving his community.
 
The video of the shooting is up on the news sites. He kind of sprayed in the general direction it seemed, may not have even connected. Then turns right around without checking! BIG MISTAKE. I'm sure this video will be seen in many training classes as what not to do.

Possibly his previous encounters made him feel more at ease with the perp? Thinking he wouldn't do anything really bad?
 
Arresting the boy was the way to go. He used an intermediate weapon to attempt to disable a non-cooperative violent felon, in a lawful arrest.

Yeah, I don't know about all that. I agree he needed to be arrested but it looks a little bit more like the officer was pissed off and decided to use pepper spray out of spite. If he was actually pursuing an arrest, I think he would have taken a different tact than hop out, spray, and turn away. His body language, to me, is 100% disgust and while the time is short I don't believe he had any intention of dealing with the kid impartially.

I mean, I can't even see the point of his use of OC, he doesn't even appear to be trying to affect an arrest. I've been pulled over before and put into "protective custody" and it didn't go down like that at all even though the officer initially felt I and the other rider were running from him, which is a felony and thus the bracelets. Plenty of verbal commands and at no point was there a disengagement like in that video. The officer is either sloppy or he used the OC as retribution IMHO. Either way, he didn't deserve to get shot for his actions, they have courts for a reason and getting sprayed with OC isn't worth losing your life over.
 
From the footage, it does seem like an odd traffic stop. The events on the tape seem odd as well. I wasnt' there during the stop, so I cannot say what occured for what reasons.

As I am oft to do, I am more than willing to say that the McKay could have made some mistakes. Based on the evidence of bad blood brought to light, I am willing to entertain the possiblity that McKay could have-- in the past or present-- been a complete jerk to the BG and/or others. That could be the result of a number of things-- among them: 1.) He's had to deal with this guy numerous times and put up with his crap resulting in aggravation on his part and ill will on the others part or 2.) He could have been a cop that enjoyed throwing his badge around with a power trip.

And everything I said above is pure specualtion. The fact is it may be BS and it may contain elements of truth.

The fact is that it is irrelevant. I am thinking of a circumstance where the BG would have been justified in either 1.) shooting the officer or 2.) running over the officer. I'm sure I could come up with something-- but none of those somethings showed up on the tape. If there was a reason in the past, it was obviously not something legitimate or legal action would have been pursued.

Therefore, I'm drawing a blank. NOTHING was present that would justify the actions of the BD. No amount of hypothetical scenerios will convince me.

Sadly, I DON'T think the BG got what he deserved. I'd have liked him to stand trial for the crime and allow a jury of his peers to convict him and sentence him to death. That way, it would be officially in the records that he was a murderer and a cop killer. Now, it will always be "Alleged." You have to love technicalities.

My condolences to the officers family and may he rest in peace.


Regarding Floyd, so he had a colored past. He may have done or said some crappy things in the past. I won't go so far as to say he is a good guy. He may not be.

However, THAT day he did a good thing.

Unless we are bringing charges against him unrelated to this incident, I can only view his actions of this day and say that TODAY he did good.

Other than that, I'll let God weigh the merit of this man's soul.
If he were to break the law in the future or be tried for previous crimes, a court will decide his earthly punishment.


Even our discussion of Floyd's good or bad nature becomes speculation. What happened, happened. It was a tragic and senseless waste of life all around.


-- John
 
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