Downsides to a CCW license?

Lessee: I was fingerprinted when I went into the Army in 1954. Same for when I rode Buddy Patrol with the Austin PD in 1973.

Lists? Well, being a subscriber to gunzines and a member of all sorts of gun organizations; and a letter-writer to editors and Congressfolks on gun issues: I'd bet I'm on some list, somewhere.

And a lot of 4473s, these last 39 years.

Worrying about a downside to my CHL is what country folks call, "Huntin' boogers." Thank you, I only do that when the humidity is low and my nose is dry.

Art

Hogwash

As for your OTR buddy, if he's an owner-op, well, its his truck.

Having to keep up with what states he can carry in, how to secure it in states he can't, which states you have/dont have to inform LEOs that he's armed, etc. I could see how that could be a pain for an OTR driver.

I have a reason for not getting a CHP, I aint postin the whole story, I got stuff to do. In short, the officer grabbed my license and ran off to the patrol car to run it before I could inform him that I had a CHP and a handgun in the console. As a result, I sat on the side of the road while my car was searched, which was right after my lady and I got searched.

After a few stupid questions (is this registered, why is it loaded, why is it cocked, etc) and a few stupid statements (your permit is only good in buncombe county, you cant keep it loaded, etc), he finally let me go on my way. More than an hour gone, with my car, that they wouldnt let me move, sitting in the middle of the road, just outside of a blind turn.

In case you wondering, I didnt file a complaint. It would do more harm than good. This was in a town where you know who's cheating on who, what everyone drives, who stays in trouble, Pizza Hut doesn't deliver, and has less than a dozen LEOs (combined police, sherriff, and NCSHP).

Of course, in a small town, a lot of people have scanners (nothing good on TV, cant blame them). My grandmother knew before I did. My uncle told me she spoke with the Lt on the scene (they know each other from a previous case). Evidently he spoke to the deputy because he really didnt bother me last time. He stayed close, pulled into the steakhouse behind me (not directly behind me), sat there till I was done eating, and then followed me till I was just about out of the county, but he didnt stop me.

Well, this post turned out longer than I thought it would... Sorry.

...point guns at me through open window on police cars. I hand him wallet per request, he goes through it and TOTALLY FREAKS OUT when he sees my CCW.

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...comes back, throws my wallet in the front seat and stomps off. I sort the stuff out in my wallet and there is a ticket in there for "Driving with an open container of alcohol"

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She hands me my wallet back with a ticket in it for "Driving without lights"

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I'm calling BS.

It is SOP to have you take your ID/DL out of your wallet, so as to avoid the opportunity for anyone to think that you are offering a bribe to the officer.

Also, what is with this stealth slipping of a ticket into a wallet? Never happened once, let alone twice.

I find that experience with the tickets a bit unusual. There has to be more to the story. Honestly speaking, I have never truly had a bad experience with a law enforcement officer; even when I was caught driving about 110 or so in a 55 MPH zone. This was when 55mph was the standard interstate speed limit. Yeah, that was fun, but it was expensive fun.

I try to put myself in the policeman's position before I get too excited about things. Too many cops have been shot making routine traffic stops. I also generally don't volunteer the information that I have a carry permit or even if there is a loaded gun in the car. I'll only do that if it appears that the information will be useful to the policeman as I like to be pretty honest about things.

Fingerprinted? Heck, I have been finger printed so many times that I don't even concern myself about it. Every primary law enforcement agency has my fingerprints on file and they date back a good 20 years with the FBI and others. In Tennessee, they take your finger prints every time you purchase a firearm or when the NICs check is run.

Fingerprinted? Heck, I have been finger printed so many times that I don't even concern myself about it. Every primary law enforcement agency has my fingerprints on file and they date back a good 20 years with the FBI and others. In Tennessee, they take your finger prints every time you purchase a firearm or when the NICs check is run.

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22 rimfire just get it.

I was fingerprinted by the military and employers. I've been in the system for 40 years.
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Don

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Well, "only" about 30 for me, but as far as the rest of the details go....yep.

Try this for fun. The next time you go in to a casino that has one of those "dunk the ID thingies" to scan for underage people; give them your CWP.

I did this in Shreveport just to be funny (apparently I've finally gotten old enough that they just wave me in) so I asked them to scan it. Within 2 seconds a buzzer went off and about 10 seconds later the phone rang with a "we don't accept those here". They (security) just laughed and waved me through. I'm surprised that they didn't even ask me if I was packing, considering it was an (SC) out of state license.

It freaked out the friends I was with more than the security; just 'cause they thought that something horrible would happen if I did it.

And it won't, you are the good guy when you take the time to be legal.

Seems that everytime I fly now, I get my checked luggage checked with the nice little note left in my bags. Co-workers traveling with me don't get the same attention. I will give the TSA credit where it is due though. My last trip was to Anaheim, so being an East Coast guy, I swing into Disney Land to grab my son some Mickey ears. I packed everything carefully around them so they would not get crushed. When I got home, noticed that EVERYTHING in my bag was packed exactly opposite of how I packed it, but the Mickey ears hat was still packed carefully as it was when I did it, if not better.

But you can sleep safe at night knowing you have the "reasonable gun laws" of Australia to keep you safe.

Worrying about a downside to my CHL is what country folks call, "Huntin' boogers." Thank you, I only do that when the humidity is low and my nose is dry.

Art

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Art, I think this qualifies as "Too much information!"

uncivilized places

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some sort of document from your home jurisdiction showing that you are allowed to possess the firearms there
There is no such thing for us in most (USA) States. You are allowed to possess firearms unless for some reason you are prohibited.


Take a copy of the Bill of Rights. Apparently they don't have anything like it Down Under.

And I used to think I wanted to visit Oregon, but it's off my list now.

I'm no expert on your system, but I wouldn't have thought it would be that hard to get some sort of evidence that you are lawfully entitled, even in the absence of a CCW permit or FOID card or the like.

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I think you would be met with derisive laughter should you ask for such a thing in MT, and be immediately pegged as a "pilgrim."

In any case, aren't you routinely required in most states to produce photo ID, complete BATFE Form 4473 and have a NICS transaction number, or else have some documentary evidence of an exemption, when you buy a firearm from a dealer?

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Yes ( ) but that is only for a purchase. Once you are out the door, no permit/license is required or even exists for possession, other than for CCW inside city limits.

I had a look at the requirements to hunt in Montana. Looks like you need all sorts of permits and licences and reams of paperwork, and there are all sorts of limits on what you can hunt, how many and when, as well as quite large fees for non-residents. Here, once you have your firearms there's very little of that sort of thing to contend with.

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Montana doesn't cater to non-resident big game hunters, which is why we still have good big game populations (as opposed to states like Colorado, which has pretty much sold its deer and elk to Texas).

But we have a lot of critters here that you can hunt/shoot without even buying a license. Though it wouldn't be much worth travelling halfway around the world to shoot a prairie dog or rabbit or badger or rattlesnake, etc ...

The only downside I see is that impulse firearm purchases are much easier now that I don't have 5 days to re-think the purchase
Government already has me on a list so that doesn't bother me.

4 - Gives you that second picture ID you need in yur pocket when cashing checks.

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Try this for fun. The next time you go in to a casino that has one of those "dunk the ID thingies" to scan for underage people; give them your CWP.

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I've always been under the impression it's best not to use your CCW as a second ID and to only show it to law enforcement.

the downside is that you are fingerprinted and are forever in the system.

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Ever own a car, job, house, credit card, gone to the doctor, had a library card, got one of those preferred shopper cards at the grocery store, have a Cosco or Sam's club membership, rented movies from Blockbuster, have a social security card, gone to college, been born? etc etc etc.

You're already in the system, adding finger prints to it really doesn't matter. It is possible to zero yourself, but in actually nobody is out of the system.