How do you LEOs feel about Civs with guns

I'm no LEO, but I expect that the opinions vary widely depending on location and the individual LEO involved.

BTW, police are "civs" too. Non-civilian is military.

As Bowman states, it varies widely. Generally most cops are pro-ccw. They realize that permit holder = no threat.

How should we feel when we find out that you've paid for the privilege of being a card-carrying law abiding citizen? Usually I'm curious about what gun you've chosen to carry and why you chose it. Otherwise, the more CCW's out there, the more the BG's have to worry. That's a "good thing".

Say what you will, This is just one man's opinion........

There are just some people that have no business evening touching a gun I.E. Nutjobs, Violent convicts, and those with an IQ less than there shoe size.

That said, The government should not have a right to restrict any Firearm, any ammo, or magazine capacity from anyone.

And by the way I am a FED. LEO

To continue from above....

I support for all "citizens" to CCW, Open Carry whatever they wish.

I guess my main concern is how competant, and safe the individual is.

Not an LEO but pretty well aquainted with many of the deputys and a few of the detectives in my county. The feeling here is that it's not the guy or gal that paid the money, took the class, got the permit and got fingerprinted that they have to worry about.

It's the ones that didn't.

Spartan, Who would be in charge of saying who is fit or unfit?

How do you LEOs feel about everyday people like me, when you know suspect we have a ccw?

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Honestly could care less, generally people with a pistol are considered by my unit to be proactive and GREAT witnesses. I suspect at least half the cops in the country are "live and let live" guys like us.

What is a "civ?"

Do you mean civilian?

I'm not trying to be the word-police here, but please understand that the correct context for usage of the word "civilian" is in contrast to MILITARY.

Ordinary police employed by the sheriff's department, or the local municipality are every bit as much a civilian as the guy who re-fills the slurpee machine at 7-11.

When I was still uniformed LE, I would have simply pulled you over and beat you into the ground with my PR-24, and cuffed you to the push bumper of my 'Vic until other officers arrived to beat you some more.

Actually...I always figured, as a cop, I was just an armed citizen who had to carry my gun to work.

I grew up in AZ and started my LE career here. Guns were a part of every day life. All I ever asked of an armed person in a traffic stop is that they not play with their gun, so I didn't have to play with mine.

"The right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms..." To me, means the RIGHT TO OWN AND CARRY GUNS.

Nothing wrong with owning guns.

BTW, fireman, ambulance, EMS, etc also refer to people other than themselves as civilians. Its nothing more than a word used to tell one group of people from another. If your panties get in a bunch over the word, you've got bigger issues you need to deal with.

Fed Leo

To me as long as you have not been convicted of a major felony (Rape, Murder, armed robbery ext..) I could care less. CCW for all Law abiding citizens to me shall be the way.

No state fees or bureaucracy BS some states come up with and CCW shall be recognized thru out all US states uniformly. None of this no hollow points here, gun holstered in glove box, no more than 10 rounds ext. That would make our jobs so much more easy.

As long as the individual makes the officer aware of the situation there should be no problem. However there is always going to be the tention existing while the officer investigates the matter fully and determines the safety factor of the situation.

BTW, fireman, ambulance, EMS, etc also refer to people other than themselves as civilians.

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The way I always saw it was that gov't employees/public service were in one group, where "civilians" were folks employed in the private sector.

I deal with LEOs all day. Most of 'em really don't care one way or another, so long as you're not doing something really unwise with it. There ARE some, mostly younger sorts, who spout the whole, "well I'd arrest you as soon as I had the chance" spiel, but for the most case, they're friendly about it.

I used to work nights in Atlanta, and being out at that hour, I got pulled over for...whatever. Heck, they were just looking for drugs and fugitives, and they usually waved me on once they saw I wasn't toting bags of crack. I made it a point to tell the officer I was carrying, and every time, their response was "okey-doke, have a good night."

OTOH, one particular suburban county dresses their guys up like a SWAT team to pass out parking tickets, and those guys are notoriously unfriendly to civilian carry.

Legitimate law enforcement officers would have no problem with fellow citizens freely exercising their right to bear arms.

Jack booted thugs would deny others that right.

I would think asking that question on this forum is going to give skewed results.

I doubt most LE are gunny type people like the members of this forum. Where as LE on this forum are going to be gunny types , and then more acceptable of legally armed citizens.

Ask this question on a cop message board and I bet you get different answers. And I am willing to bet most do not want you carrying.

I'm not a LEO. My father, however has spent 20 years as a police officer and is now the Sheriff of the county I grew up in. When I told him that I was going to get my CCL, we had a chat about it. One of the questions that came up was this same question. He told me:

"If your common man can no longer carry a concealed weapon, I'd leave the force." Or at least something to that effect.

BoySS,

I know where you are trying to go with "who would be in charge of saying who is fit and unfit"

Do not get me wrong here....SOME people have no business possessing guns as I stated above.

HOWEVER, NO man, NO elected official, No president, AND NO government should have the power to decide who should and who should not possess firearms for Home Defense, Personnel Defense, Hunting, or just plain recreational plinking.

I support the 2A, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" I will not preach to the choir on this matter as to what that means.

I will however, possibly to prove or disprove my theory ask an Honest question of those here on this forum....

Can you think of 5, 10, 15 or more people that you may know or have met, or even heard of that realy had no business picking up a firearm for whatever reason?

Not that they do not have the right to keep and bear arms, not that they do not have the right to self defense, and that nobody should be able to take that right away however for any reason should not possess a firearm.

Examples: Darwin award winners, rapists/murderers set free on porole, an alcoholic driving drunk to the range, people that know the four rules but decide they do not apply to them, suicidal people who can't pull the trigger themselves and would prefer taking out a few innocents till the leo's arrive, a child not trained to handle a firearm finding a gun or taking there parents gun to school to play with, I personnally seen a family member cry and almost hyperventalate just by seeing a firearm.

The list can go on and on

So honestly how many can you think of?

You didn't answer the question. You simply narrowed the list of possible judges, and that's the crux of the argument.

Thanks for sharing how you feel about us having guns.

Thanks for sharing how you feel about us having guns.

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anytime buddy

Depends on their section of the country, for one. LEOs generally come from the area they work in - thus share a lot of the attitudes. If they're not from the area, they'll probably take on a lot of the thoughts of their neighbors anyhow. D.C. cops will probably tell you that CC is no good whatsoever in higher percentages than DFW cops would.

When I was still uniformed LE, I would have simply pulled you over and beat you into the ground with my PR-24, and cuffed you to the push bumper of my 'Vic until other officers arrived to beat you some more

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My God, I think you were my partner back in the 60's. Is that you John? No it couldn't have been. We had a Dodge Polaris. Ah shoot, there was no such thing as a PR-24 either. It was just a wooden stick. Sorry what-ever-your-name is. I thought I knew ya.

You didn't answer the question. You simply narrowed the list of possible judges, and that's the crux of the argument.
Thanks for sharing how you feel about us having guns.

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actually, i think he did answer the question. i don't want to put words in his mouth, but what i believe i read can be summed up in the following short answer:

1. spartan55 personally believes that there are some people who probably ought not own firearms.
2. spartan55 also believes that no one is in a position to decide who is in that category.

here's where i get that idea:

HOWEVER, NO man, NO elected official, No president, AND NO government should have the power to decide who should and who should not possess firearms

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i frankly see no reason why he needs to be put on the spot for that position. in fact, i'm guessing a lot of gun owners, LEOs or not, feel the same way.

All of the guys on my department including the chief is very pro-gun, but we're also a small rural agency.

We tend to be absolutists..........until someone does something stupid. That has only happened a very few times my entire career including previous agencies.

I've been to quite a few training classes with troopers and police officers from across the state. I've yet to run into one that advertised themselves as anti-gun. They're either pro or ambivilant.

I imagine that there may be some antis on Los Anchorage due to the number of officers and where some were recruited from.

I think troopers would be more pro-gun as a whole than municiple officers would be since nearly every one of them have to pull a tour out in the bush or highway post somewhere.

I believe people should carry where and what they want.

My rule is you carry whatever you can drag around, just don't be wavin' it around in my direction.