Giuliani on Gun Control, 1993

Rudy Guiliani is as close to pure evil as might exist on the planet.

"Whoa there youngster, that's a little extreme." some of you might say.

There is good reason. With a Kim Jung Il, Mahmoud Ahmedinijad, Saddam-type guy, you know what you are getting. They don't lie about their intentions, and in fact are quite honest about their insane quests for power.

Rudolph (more like Adolph) Guiliani is insidious. He will play to be pro-gun. He will tell people he just wants to protect Americans, and our "freedoms" while all the while gutting whats left of the Constitution. He has basically said before (and it's in Derek Zeanah's sig line) that he thinks freedom literally is fascism.

I believe if Guiliani becomes President, America will become a very dark and nasty place. We will see camps for Muslim Americans. And many people will become "terrorists" that never thought about Al Qaeda. Drug enforcement, gun law enforcement, business and money regulations will all be done via "terror" laws. And the internet will be regulated.

Worst of all, people will simply disappear. It won't be obvious.

"Extreme?" you might think.

No, not extreme. Sometimes a man will tell you his bad intentions. You just have to listen.

Rudy Guiliani is as close to pure evil as might exist on the planet.

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Do not speak like that of "Americas Mayor."

Dont you know that he was in NY on 9/11?!?!?

Uh, the cult leader was deflowering all the underage girls. Would have had to come to a head at some point, I'm afraid.

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Even if that was true, wouldn't you agree that the "cure" was worse than the "disease"?

Even if that was true, wouldn't you agree that the "cure" was worse than the "disease"?

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You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But then apparently the Hostage Roasting Team and its defenders believe that the optimal solution to child molestation is to kill the alleged molestor AND the child.

Did anyone else notice how many times they referred to handguns being
"automatic" firearms. I am sure that they meant semi-automatic firearms
but that wouldn't sound as bad would it?

If you think his stance on Gun Control is scary, take a look at this

We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

[ Interruption by someone in the audience. ]

You have free speech so I can be heard.

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Even if that was true, wouldn't you agree that the "cure" was worse than the "disease"?

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Duh.

My point was not that Waco was justified, but rather that things were not going to stay as-is for David Koresh and Company. Sooner or later something would have gone down.

"With Ron Paul, it never would have happened," is not good enough for me. That's a BS slogan. What if something DID happen? How would he handle it?

Judging from what RP has said, written and done while in congress, he would have let the State of TX deal with Waco. He'd not much for Federal intervention, believing strongly in states rights.

When that totalitarian Rudie speaks, he looks like what people I grew up with in Florida would call a sh*t eating possum.

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We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

[ Interruption by someone in the audience. ]

You have free speech so I can be heard.

Thankyou Manix. That is the extended portion of Guiliani's speech, which Zeanah shortens to the Last sentence. A statement like that, he'd have to totally renounce his fascist beliefs, and begin personally tearing down the CCTV monitoring system he set up in New York. He'd have to run for office again, and reduce NYPD by half, and personally apologize to Amadou Dialou's family, and offer them over a $100,000, oh.... and kow tow to Ron Paul before I believed that he attempted to buy his soul back for the evil he's already perpetrated, and plans to perpetrate. I might believe him then.

Again: Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

For this statement, Guiliani ought to be sent to a hellhole like Saudi Arabia, to see how great not having freedom of expression because of "authority" is. My guess is that "drag boy" would last 5 seconds before a Saudi Policeman picked him up, and beheaded him. Oh, but that can't happen. Rudy Guiliani's an American. He can stand on his rights. Even if he wants to trash mine.

A guy like this having discretion over the BATFE? It's hard to say who would do worse. Hillary or Guiliani. The most jacked up thing is the major media's and pollsters touting of this guy as a conservative. On the issue of guns, this man would set back gun rights for 20-30 years if not further given the chance.

But more importantly, he would attack the entire BOR. Without freedom of speech, or a right to trial by jury, the 2A doomsday scenario becomes much more likely, because it becomes the last desperate way to put the country back on track. He will use the Patriot Act, and the Military Commissions Act to their greatest extent, and he's 10x smarter than Bush on his best day. He must be stopped in the primaries. Otherwise, everyone in this nation could end up suffering.

"Freedom is about authority." Man, that sends chills down my spine. The dude is some serious bad mojo.

Giuliani in the White House would be the closest thing to having a dictatorship.
Take it from someone who's suffered under his yoke for many years.

Please explain hnk45acp, I haven't been to NY in a while. I didn't like it last time (around the Dialou thing in Guiliani's tenure). When I was there, well, I was hassled by cops (I'm brown, so they assumed I was a Muslim, when they found out I was a Midwestern biracial kid, they seemed even less happy).

I've wondered how bad it actually got, and how it's been since 9/11.

Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

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Holy Crap, this man is the devil. Actually, freedom is just the opposite isn't it?

As much as I hate to say it, I'd vote for Hillary over this guy. I agree with Cosmoline that it would at least polarize and rally the Republicans. If Guilliani gets in office, let me know where I sign up for the revolt, seriously.

On the NY angle. I had a friend that was on vacation in that area last week. He said all the cameras and propoganda posted made him feel like he was in London where you watch the cameras turn to watch you. Big Brother IS here!!! A cop on every corner. If you didn't move along and just stood and stared at something, it caught the cops' eyes and they would start giving you the ole Hairy Eyeball stare like you were up to no good. Spooky stuff. Fascism is coming and it'll get a lot further with someone smart in office like Guilliani compared to the dolt that Bush has proven himself to be.

Wow...

As a Kenyan friend of mine would say; "Would you pick the Devil you know, or the Devil you don't know?"

AB,
If something did go down he would handle it in full compliance with the Constitution. In this case, the local authorities would deal with what they see as a problem. No support from the Feds.
And I stand by my "BS slogan" because that whole situation was initiated by the ATF in the first place, not the locals. It wasn't about whacko cults or deflowering virgins. It was about the ATF suspecting him of selling a sawed-off shotgun without the $200 tax. The rest of the excuses weren't invented (and later disproven) until after the raid went sour.
So I repeat: No ATF=no situation.

When it is all said and done, Rudy Baby is the only candidate who ever sued US gun makers. Romney is the only candidate who ever signed an AWB into law.

It is too bad that we do not have a solidly pro-gun Republican candidate who stands a snow balls chance in hades of being elected. We have millions of smart folks in the US and this is the best that we can do. Pardon me while i barf.

You're all insane.
Vote for Hillary?

I know everyone makes a habit of informing everyone else that their votes are wasted, but your vote on Hillary is truly wasted.

Is it too much to ask to look into the other 423 candidates and find out whether they deserve a vote more than Hillary or Rudy?

If you vote for Hillary because Rudy is the opposition, then you're sending a message that you're ok with the candidates that were chosen, and you can expect the exact same thing in 2012.

If you vote for a 3rd party candidate, what's the harm? Your goal is to get Hillary in the office as a stop gap, which would happen because a good percentage of Rudy's votes would get siphoned off.

But you'd also send a message that jackasses like Rudy can't get elected, and maybe they wouldn't try it again.

But wait, don't tell me: it probably doesn't make any sense to vote for someone if he's not going to get enough votes, right?

Rudy Guiliani is as close to pure evil as might exist on the planet.

"Whoa there youngster, that's a little extreme." some of you might say.

There is good reason. With a Kim Jung Il, Mahmoud Ahmedinijad, Saddam-type guy, you know what you are getting. They don't lie about their intentions, and in fact are quite honest about their insane quests for power.

Rudolph (more like Adolph) Guiliani is insidious. He will play to be pro-gun. He will tell people he just wants to protect Americans, and our "freedoms" while all the while gutting whats left of the Constitution. He has basically said before (and it's in Derek Zeanah's sig line) that he thinks freedom literally is fascism.

I believe if Guiliani becomes President, America will become a very dark and nasty place. We will see camps for Muslim Americans. And many people will become "terrorists" that never thought about Al Qaeda. Drug enforcement, gun law enforcement, business and money regulations will all be done via "terror" laws. And the internet will be regulated.

Worst of all, people will simply disappear. It won't be obvious.

"Extreme?" you might think.

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Well, yes, it is...but it's the truth, and now and then the truth sounds just that way. Between the CCTV and his attitude on guns alone he's not fit to be leader of this great land. And that's before we start talking about his many other flaws.

Fred Thompson, maybe?

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Haha, let me be the first to say, IBTL! I'd love to see Ron Paul ascend to the Oval Office as the GOP standard-bearer, but I could vote for Thompson a whole lot easier than I could vote for anyone else on the GOP side (besides RP), to say nothing of the ****piles on the Dem side.

When I've heard Rudy talk about his gun control position in the past in New York City, his explanation usually goes something like this "It works in a big city like New York." This lame attempt to assuage his audiences in the South or Midwest, I suppose is aparently meant to imply that he may have supported strict gun control measures in NYC, but heck, none of you live up there and so don't really understand what it's like!

Yeah, I guess people in very big cities should willingly surrender their right to self defense. God save us all from limousine liberals like Rudy Giuliani.

When I've heard Rudy talk about his gun control position in the past in New York City, his explanation usually goes something like this "It works in a big city like New York." This lame attempt to assuage his audiences in the South or Midwest, I suppose is aparently meant to imply that he may have supported strict gun control measures in NYC, but heck, none of you live up there and so don't really understand what it's like!

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If he doesn't think that the 2nd Amendment is applicable in NYC, maybe he thinks the 13th Amendment doesn't apply to Richmond, Virginia?

I've wondered how bad it actually got, and how it's been since 9/11.

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Everyone praises him for his handling of post Sept. 11 NYC. and that's what scares me the most. That time signaled the one instance that all of NYC was united and following one man (him) and he took to it like a fish to water. His word was law. Which streets were open, where you could go, when you could travel. NYC 9/12 was the first day of King Giulianni's rule. He played king for 3 months and he liked it. The rest of the US liked it and so he figures that people really need a firm hand and appreciate it.

Everyone praises him for his handling of post Sept. 11 NYC. and that's what scares me the most. That time signaled the one instance that all of NYC was united and following one man (him) and he took to it like a fish to water. His word was law. Which streets were open, where you could go, when you could travel. NYC 9/12 was the first day of King Giulianni's rule. He played king for 3 months and he liked it. The rest of the US liked it and so he figures that people really need a firm hand and appreciate it.

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For some people, all they want is for the trains to run on time.