fletcher
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Everyone involved should be locked up for at least 30 years.
FBI: Murder, Wrongful Imprisonment May Be Necessary to Preserve Drug Investigations
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Everyone involved should be locked up for at least 30 years.
Flyboy
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Put it to you this way: why do these accusations gain traction? The FBI--law enforcement in general, for that matter--should be beyond reproach, at least institutionally (yes, individual bad actors will occur, but that doesn't mean the institution can't be corrupted). Why is it believable that the institution would protect them, rather than hanging the bad apples out to dry? Oh, yeah, because they've done it before.
That's the problem: they've shot their credibility. That's the reason for the distrust and distaste toward them. And that's entirely within their control.
Scorpiusdeus
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Absolutely. I'm just saying that one example happened some forty years ago and the other is just an accusation at this time.
If these people are guilty, yes, the individuals involved should do time.
pcosmar
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Scorpiusdeus, I don't understand. A simple Google search turns up pages of corruption, both investigations and convictions. Several states and congress are looking at the administrative corruption. Cases are well documented, others are on going.
How you can not condemn these abuses, or try to justify their criminal behavior is beyond me.
Law Enforcement is supposed to protect society from the criminals, they are not suppose to be the criminals.
How you can not condemn these abuses, or try to justify their criminal behavior is beyond me.
Law Enforcement is supposed to protect society from the criminals, they are not suppose to be the criminals.
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Nothing has changed because nothing will ever change. Governments have a tendency to consider "collateral damage" necessary in order to achieve a "greater good." Convicting (or killing) the wrong person in order to protect something more "important," letting the powerful go free because of who they are, destroying people's reputations, and similar activities have been a hallmark since gov't was created. Socrates' greatest crime was to potentially interfere with the good working order of Greek society, and for that he had to pay.
ConfuseUs
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Essentially the FBI (or at least the agents involved) are accessories to murder. This took 40 years to get out but undoubtedly there are other cases where the FBI committed the same or similar crimes. Since the FBI can easily stonewall investigation of its activities by claiming that release of information can compromise ongoing investigations it is reasonable to conclude that to this day the FBI continues to act as an accessory to various felonies.
Make no mistake, a major law enforcement agency has been caught committing the ultimate perversion of its mission: In order to further a criminal investigation the agency knowingly permitted the culprits of a more serious crime to go free and to allow people innocent of the crime to be charged and convicted by withholding exculpatory evidence.
What it boils down to is this: all the surviving FBI agents involved in this need to be found, arrested, and tried in a court of law for this crime. Anything less and the FBI can rightly be considered a criminal organization by the public. The waffling, double talk, and closed doors discussions about the topic with Congress aren't going to cut it.
Make no mistake, a major law enforcement agency has been caught committing the ultimate perversion of its mission: In order to further a criminal investigation the agency knowingly permitted the culprits of a more serious crime to go free and to allow people innocent of the crime to be charged and convicted by withholding exculpatory evidence.
What it boils down to is this: all the surviving FBI agents involved in this need to be found, arrested, and tried in a court of law for this crime. Anything less and the FBI can rightly be considered a criminal organization by the public. The waffling, double talk, and closed doors discussions about the topic with Congress aren't going to cut it.
Deanimator
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I actually seem to recall at least a couple of them being in court, and one of them making some smart remarks regarding the falsely imprisoned men.
ConfuseUs
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I doubt that anything substantial will happen as far as nailing these guys. The Washington way is to dissemble and avoid taking responsibility for screw ups in the belief that somehow credibility is retained. 
The public, however, will not be fooled as easily.
The public, however, will not be fooled as easily.
Houston Tom
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THose agencies see the money that the tax payers have to pay out as a cost of doing business. Just like the couple of Mil they paid to Randy Weaver after Killing his wife and son not to mention shooting him and Kevin Harris before identifing themselves as Law enforcment.
Exactly.
Here in San Diego, a civil engineer who worked for the Regional Water Control Board was mountain biking through a local canyon on a weekend. He saw a sewer line rupture, dumping raw sewage into a creek that runs into Mission Bay (where Sea World is, along with beaches, waterski areas, etc.). He reported it to the proper office, made sure that the information got to the "right people."
They did NOTHING about it for 10 DAYS! 1.5 Million gallons spilled.
The Federal Government fined the city under some Act (Clean Water Act I think) 3 million dollars. But it's not the CITY'S money, it's MY money, so they didn't give a crap.
thexrayboy
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You want a more recent incident describing FBI misconduct? Well aside from Waco where the FBI's testimony that they did not fire a single shot was refuted by evidence including FLIR footage showing automatic weapons fire from outside the building into the building and recovered ordnance I give you Ruby Ridge. In that case the FBI changed it's rules of engagements for the snipers deployed. For that case the snipers were told that they were allowed to shoot at any armed person seen outside of the cabin. The person that they were allowed to shoot at didn't need to be engaged in any actions, peaceful or violent. The only criteria necessary to justify the shootin was their presence while in possession of a weapon. That is not how LEO is supposed to operate. That is how assassins and military snipers engage "enemies".
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