PA halting sales of ALL firearms on Labor Day for 5 days..

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If the private world can bring a system live in parallel, then the government should be able to do it too. But the problem is, government is accountable to no one except itself, and rarely then. This is just one more example of arrogance combined with ineptitude brought to us by our benevolent overlords.
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Well said, PennsyPlinker.
 
Eddie Rendell is going ahead:

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-guns-aug28,0,2978962.story?coll=all_tab01_layout

HARRISBURG | Despite some complaints, the state will halt gun sales over the Labor Day weekend to update the computer system handling background checks for gun buyers, Gov. Ed Rendell announced today.

The Pennsylvania Instant Check System will be down from 6 p.m. Sunday until 6 p.m. Sept. 5, when gun sales can resume.

That's 18 hours less than previously scheduled.

In a written statement, Rendell said he respected "the right of people to purchase firearms for the upcoming hunting season," but that "it is clear that there will never be an ideal time to temporarily shut down the system."
 
"it is clear that there will never be an ideal time to temporarily shut down the system."
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Oh I don't know...how about the industry slow season of June through August?

Or better yet, how about doing the upgrades on a parallel system like our IT folks have mentioned?

I may be wearing my tinfoil hat on this one, but I also don't like the ability of the .gov to halt firearms sales...for whatever reason.
 
funny you mention that and no one else has.

Here in PA private sales of rifles do not require any paperwork. Handgun transfers however do.

I have to admit that I was purposely attempting to stay blind to this fact.

I just can't stand to sit back and watch Swindell try to pull another fast one.
 
I used to live in NJ years ago, and remember when Pennsy put up signs on I95 going into Pennsy [AMERICA STARTS HERE]. Too funny, and it seemed to be true, but not much anymore.

Pennsy will suffer from "Chigagoitis", letting Philly politics run the state. Ed Rendell is governor?? you gotta be kidding me... why not elect Wilson Goode?? Or Frank Rizzo(I think hes dead now)...

My brother moved to Pennsy(fairless Hills) to escape NJ BS, but looks like hes not much better off...


I don't see why Gun dealers follow these directions.. what are they going to charge you with?? a law that don't exist??. The rules are clearly stated...follow them and they CANT possibly do anything, regardless of the political bluster.
 
CDignition:

Push coming to shove, I suspect your brother is somewhat better off re firearms at least, in PA than in NJ, Fast Eddie, and the PA Coal & Iron Cops, these days The Pennsylvania State Police, notwithstanding.

As most likely already know, Rendell, despite the recommendations of his own commission will shut down PICS as previously scheduled. Re this, I wonder as to the following. How many GUN OWNERS voted for him, in two gubernatorial elections, not to mention mayorality elections in Philadelphia?
 
I'd get a lawyer on retainer. Go down to my local gun shop and try to buy a gun. When told "No, the system's down." I'd sue everybody in the goverment (not the shop owner) from summer picking up the trash along the highway intern to the Governor for infringing on my 2A Rights. That's a case the anti's DO NOT want in the courts (along with Heller/Parker).

Just a thought.
 
I will be directly affected by this outage.

This week I ordered a gun from Texas which will likey arrive at my FFL on Monday. I've paid for the gun; it's mine.

But when my FFL receives it, he's going to call and tell me I can't pick it up until after 6 on Wednesday.

Now if I say "PA law stipulates that if you can't get a PICS response within 48 hours, you are to proceed without it." I'm going to be putting my FFL in a tight spot. He's not going to want to transfer the gun without the check, because he doesn't want any trouble from the state.

I won't ask him, because I don't want to put him in that position. I'll wait until Thursday.

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This whole this smells rotten.

I'm in IT, too. Even if they didn't want to spend the money on the resources necessary to perform an in-place parallel upgrade, that in and of itself is a violation of our rights. How much is too much to spend to ensure citizens' rights aren't violated? $25k per upgrade? $100k per upgrade?

How expensive does it have to get before it's alright to violate my rights?
 
I will be directly affected by this outage.

This week I ordered a gun from Texas which will likey arrive at my FFL on Monday. I've paid for the gun; it's mine.

But when my FFL receives it, he's going to call and tell me I can't pick it up until after 6 on Wednesday.

Now if I say "PA law stipulates that if you can't get a PICS response within 48 hours, you are to proceed without it." I'm going to be putting my FFL in a tight spot. He's not going to want to transfer the gun without the check, because he doesn't want any trouble from the state.

I won't ask him, because I don't want to put him in that position. I'll wait until Thursday.
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By all means attempt to purchase it during this time. Go labor day, if they are open, and attempt to purcahse it. This will give you legal standing to sue the PSP for violating §6111.1.

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A Commonwealth Court judge refused today to prevent a planned three-day suspension of gun sales while the Pennsylvania State Police upgrades its system for background checks.

Commonwealth Court Judge Keith Quigley told lawyers on both sides of the case that he did not see how a three-day suspension of gun sales at the beginning of hunting season would harm the 26 gun dealers who had asked the court to block the shutdown.

The gun owners filed suit claiming the state's inability to conduct instant gun checks would cause them to lose business.

State police spokesman Jack Lewis said that his agency was "pleased" with Quigley's ruling, which denied an emergency injunction. Lewis said the state's plans to shut down sales for three days starting Sunday were "moving ahead."

Lewis said shutting down the system was necessary because of the care required to transfer the 47 million criminal records in the registry.

C. Robert Keenan III, the attorney for the plaintiffs, said that he was "disappointed" in the court's decision.

Keenan and state Rep. Tim Solobay, D-Washington, said the denial of an emergency injunction would not be appealed, according to The Associated Press. "The rigid ideological climate of this administration prevented it from seeing any different approach to this," Keenan said.

Gun dealers said the timing of the suspension could cost them a lot of business. Dove and goose seasons get under way Saturday, and sporting goods stores count on strong business from related sales over the holiday weekend.

Groups representing sportsmen insist gun sales don't need to be suspended for the computer upgrades, saying the work could be done at off hours. State police have said that the shutdown of gun sales is necessary to complete work on the computer system used to do background checks all gun buyers.
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http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews/2007/08/351527-commonwealth_court_judge_oks_g.html#more
 
If all they are doing is transfering and upgrading the system, they can easily do it in place. Do A-F one night G-M another and continue on until then, and finally do any new records from before the first transfer, test and then do another update cycle.

It's pretty easy, I have done it many times myself.
 
The NRA might call everyone to ask for more money to fight bad legislation ......... A question that comes to my mind is how long is a PICS check good for? Does the transfer have to happen the same day that the approval goes through? What if you did a layaway and the shop runs the instacheck the day you drop the deposit, and you pick up the gun later? This is why LTCF holders should be exempted, if back ground checks must be had. If I have a license to carry a concealed weapon, surely I will be allowed to buy one! The worst thing is that according to the PSP website the "state of the art system came online in 1998". What about the data base backup? All of the questions we are asking each other are the questions we need to pose to the politicians that have been elected. They need to know that a suspension of our constitutional rights is unacceptable.
 
I just finnished reading a news article about this in the local paper.

The Judge refused to block the SP mainly because none of the gun dealers who cliamed they would be affected showed up to testify. Since there was no direct testimony as to the damages/ loss that woud be suffered by the plaintiff the judge had NO Choice but to find for the state and deny the injunction!!!

If a couple of the dealers had shown up to testify perhaps this would have turned out differently. Their lawyer (represented 24 dealers) said they were all too busy to appear in court at the hearing.

The ruling allows gun sales to stop in Pennsylvania starting at 6 p.m. Sunday. Gov. Ed Rendell said earlier this week the work should be finished and the system back online by Wednesday evening.

No gun dealers appeared in court, and Quigley agreed with state police lawyers who argued a gun dealer should not be allowed to testify by phone. That left no testimony to back up the assertion that the shutdown would be costly for the businesses.

"I haven't seen any harm," Quigley said. "I can't presume that."

C. Robert Keenan III, a lawyer for the more than two dozen gun dealers, and state Rep. Tim Solobay, D-Washington, said the emergency injunction request would not be appealed.
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