7.62x25mm Conversion Barrels?

7.612x25 is too long overall for the magazine and slide stroke of any gun I know not already made in that caliber.

Buy the CZ. It will work and in the end will be cheaper than any conversion. They are a real bargain at the price they sell for now!

Also, as mentioned I don't think a conversion is going to fit into any standard frame.

Well I'd be the first to admit the CZ52 is not a good gun to carry, mostly due to ergonomics. However I am unaware of why they would be considered unsafe. Mine has been through many hundreds of rounds of milsurp ammo with no problems at all, and the decocker works every time I use it.

Get a CZ52 and get all the added features that are available to make it more palatable.
Or why not try a handgun firing something with a magazine wide enough for the round like a 9x23 Winchester, 9mm Bayard (Largo), 9mm Steyr, 9mm Winchester Magnum, .38 Super, etc. and get the barrel lined and rechambered to take the Tokarev? I am sure there are plenty of cheap Spanish 9mm Largo pistols out there where this may work.

Never heard the one about them not being safe. If you don't load it and point it at someone it is plenty safe. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire a shot in anger and then empty the magazine.

The 7.62x25 is way powerful and will blow up or deform many pistols not designed for it, if you had a barrel made that would fit them.

There is a reason only two (to my knowledge) pistol designs exist for this cartridge.

7.62 x 25 is a great round, but how about some alternatives?

Hello Riktoven,

Great thread...glad you posted it. The Tokarev round is a great round- proportional, penetrative, etc. Indeed, some folks might feel uncomfortable with pistols which cannot be readily decocked like the Tokarev or concealed easily on their person. We can debate all day as to whether it is the grip or the barrel length that affects concealability. Let's just agree that concealability and daily carry are best served by overall compactness and lightweight (folks will hate me for saying it but my grandfather daily packed his thin Colt 1903 .32 under hi waist band and did not believe in any other caliber for the intended purpose, "don't mess with me!").

Now let's turn to some options based on what you requested. I want to emphasize that I can understand you afición or passion for 7.62. It's a hot round. No ifs ands or buts on that. I happen to also appreciate that round but also all bottlenecked pistol bullets. As reasonable persons we can agree that the big bullet mythology of "knock down" power is just that myth. Placement, trauma, and psychological shock are keys to DETERENCE in a self defense setting (see my discussion in the link below). I know that someone will chime in here with some remark about "knock down" power. That idea defies Newton's 3rd law of physics: every action has an equal and opposite reaction (http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/newton3.html ). If any bullet could knock a man down, the recoil would knock the shooter down too- a comical scene. Now, let's move on to some reasonable alternatives to your question (after all we are here to help each other).

1. Obtaining the Tokarev round in another platform. The 7.62 x 25 round is in some ways unique for its period. If I am not mistaken, it was designed for the TT-30 and its progeny. The CZ-52 I believe was designed to fire a higher pressure version of the 7.62 x 25 (I cannot confirm this but some evidence is consistent with my perception, http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_CZ52.htm ). That being said; it appears that TT30, 33, etc are the sole platforms for this round at this time. But, don't despair. Even though it may be wisest carrying the Tokarev uncocked, you could carry customize one to shorten the grip not unlike the many compacts on the market today (Toks are relatively cheap to start with). Yes, indeed, I know that the Tok is not for you, but I just wanted to share that idear.

2. How about some alternatives? I have a feeling that you value bottlenecked bullets. In the link below I made a few suggestions for caliber alternatives for Mexico where bullet diameters of 9mm and wider are prohibited. This provided a fertile opportunity to suggest calibers that are narrower than 9mm- bottlenecks! One of the kings of the bottlenecks is the .30 luger. The .30 Luger is a bottlenecked, hot performer, (in a .30 cal, i.e.7.65 mm) like the 7.62. Indeed, it does not have the velocity of the 7.62 but it is hi velocity nonetheless. Any 9mm handgun can be a platform for a .30 Luger custom barrel made for it.

Here are some bottlenecked alternatives:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=267029&page=2

The truly closest competitors to the 7.62 Tokarev are .357 sig or 5.7 FN. Each has advantages and disadvantages (.357 sig can be built on any .40 S&W cal. pistol, but the custom barrel can be costly. 5.7 FN is a teeny rifle bullet, but the ammo is costly for a non concealable pistol). Barrels for .400 Corbon are readily available for commander size 1911's but I don't think that's what you really want. Custom barrels could be made for the other compact decocking .45s, but I don't think you are looking for that.

To wrap it up, I feel your pain with regard to 7.62. I wish other arms were chambered for this round. I would have liked to have seen ergonomic, compact pistlols chambered in 7.62 x 25. Perhaps, something like a Taurus, Beretta Cougar, or today's QSZ 92 pistol from China (a more manageable pistol), http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg122-e.htm would fit the bill.

Sorry for not pointing you in the direction you really wanted. Hopefully, my post will help you to some acceptable alternatives.

I too am a fan of 7.62x25 and have owned tokarevs AND CZ52's

My impression on the CZ52 is it's a real turkey, my example was wildly inaccurate, retarded ergonomics and very under sprung in factory form. With my cz52 I could feed 7.62 loads that were 32ACP equivalents and they would cycle reliably with full house loads your brass would disappear. Many members of gunboards have cracked the slides on their CZ52's with moderate loads. Then there's the problem of one dry firing will almost certianlly = a broken firing pin

the tokarev is a very rugged handgun with very good ergonomics that has the ability to digest the hottest of loads and still put the empties at your feet. in fact I've found it takes a fairly hot load to even cycle a tokarev's action

In the end my desire for a modern handgun chambered for this round won out so tomorrow I'm going to buy the closest thing, a Glock 32 in .357SIG

You could also shell out some bucks for a Browning HP chambered in .30 Luger if you can find one ( 7.63X25MM). The 7.62X25 Tok should feed and chamber. , Might have to do a little work on the chamber, I doubt it. The Tok has a higher pressure than the .30 Luger or the .30 Mauser 7.65X21' about 170 FPS faster. In fact the 7.62X25 Tokarev should be called the .30 Tok, There's not enough difference between the three to even bother about. You can not tell the difference between the fired cases ( other than cartridge markings) with your naked eye.

You could also shell out some bucks for a Browning HP chambered in .30 Luger if you can find one ( 7.63X25MM). The 7.62X25 Tok should feed and chamber. , Might have to do a little work on the chamber, I doubt it. The Tok has a higher pressure than the .30 Luger or the .30 Mauser 7.65X21' about 170 FPS faster. In fact the 7.62X25 Tokarev should be called the .30 Tok, There's not enough difference between the three to even bother about. You can not tell the difference between the fired cases ( other than cartridge markings) with your naked eye.

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You have those two backwards

30 Mauser = 7.63x25

30 luger = 7.65x19

Speaking of carry....just what would you load it with for carry?

OK, 30 Mauser 7.63X25MM, 30 Luger 765X21 MM, 30 Tok 7.62X25MM. You had the 30 Luger wrong.

I would think a 1911 would work. A 9mm/38S slide and magazine. Seems someone made some 1911 barrels sometime back for the Tok round. Otherwise the barrel will be the hard part to get.

The Communist Chinese converted lend-lease 1911s we had sent the Nationalist Chinese during WW II. I guess they ran out of .45 ammo captured during the takeover. Some of them made it in along with the boat loads of well worn Broomhandles a few years ago. The conversion was crudely done but you could tell that the magazine well had been opened up until the front strap was paper thin, and a notch cut in the front of the ejection port to allow clearing a loaded round.

Just try a 7.62x25 loaded round in a .38 Super magazine before you jump in at the deep end.

Speaking of carry....just what would you load it with for carry?

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reeds ammo has some 7.62X25 loaded with a 90 grn hornady XTP. look at brassfetcher websight for gel tests on this bullet at tok speed.kinda nasty