Think college student don't need defensive weapons.....

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Check this out...

From my hometown this morning, first day of classes at CU-

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/13983580/detail.html

This guy is very lucky. I bet he would have prefered to have something special in his pocket this morning besides a granola bar.

My wife also works on campus and was thinking about taking our boy (18 months) into work this morning, walking right by the UMC, very scary....

Hunter




BOULDER, Colo. -- A student at the University of Colorado was stabbed outside the student center Monday morning and a suspect was quickly captured.

The Boulder Daily Camera identified the injured student as a freshman.

A man in his 50s, suspected of slashing the student across the throat, was restrained by campus police using a stun gun after he began stabbing himself, according to CU police Commander Brad Wiesley. A uniformed officer was nearby when the student was attacked.

The incident took place around 9:45 a.m. at the University Memorial Center on the first day of classes at CU. The UMC was evacuated briefly as a precaution.

A student said police surrounded the armed man but he refused to drop the knife he was holding.

"What are you going to do to me, shoot me?" witnesses quoted the man as saying to the officers.

Police cordoned off the crime scene near Broadway at Euclid, but students could be seen walking freely along the perimeter of the area about 90 minutes after the drama unfolded.


The student who was slashed was not seriously injured, according to Wiesley. He was coherent and able to talk to police after the attack.

The student was treated for his injuries and released.

The man suspected of slashing him was seriously injured from self-inflicted knife wounds. He was rushed to Boulder Community Hospital for treatment.

Wiesley said the man had parked a Jeep Cherokee across the street from the UMC and walked to the west patio of the student center where he started screaming.

It was not immediately known what provoked the man. Some witnesses said he claimed to have a bomb.

"Everyone thought he was doing a skit or something, but it ended up being real," student Cory Ravelson told the Daily Camera.

"He was waving around something shiny and sharp … and people were walking around him," said another student.

That's when a student walking nearby was grabbed from behind and slashed across the neck.

Police shot out a window of the Jeep the man had driven to the campus after they spotted something suspicious-looking inside. The "all clear" was given after the Jeep was thoroughly searched.

A new text-message alert system was used to inform CU students about the incident. The text sent out to students at 10:15 a.m. said: "From CU Police a stabbing at UMC at 9:43 AM Suspect in custody, UMC terrace & Euclid St closed for several hours. More info later at www.colorado.edu/police"

The text-messaging system was put into place after CU officials reviewed safety measures in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings.

Students were told to go to class and the campus has not been shut down.
 
"He was waving around something shiny and sharp … and people were walking around him," said another student.

That's when a student walking nearby was grabbed from behind and slashed across the neck."



So much for being aware of one's surroundings!

L.W.
 
This is the perfect argument for less-lethal weapons. Imagine the furor if the responding officers had killed the guy. You would have had his every relative screaming about how he never hurt anyone before, and he wasn't really such a bad guy, he was just temporarily off his medications...

That said, I can't help but feel the world might have been just a little better off if he had been removed from it. Maybe I've been away from a campus for too long, but I can't imagine a deranged man waving a knife around and people just walking past him like nothing is going on...
 
Leanwolf,

Those were the same sentences that jumped out at me too. I cannot believe that people do not take threats like that seriously, especially after VA Tech.


The sheep says "baah".
 
A man in his 50s, suspected of slashing the student across the throat, was restrained by campus police using a stun gun after he began stabbing himself
So... in Colorado, slashing other people is okay, but it's a crime if you stab yourself?
 
This is why I always have a knife on me when I'm on campus. Can't bring a gun but in these parts nobody looks twice at folding knife. Not the best means of self defense, but better than nothing.
 
That said, I can't help but feel the world might have been just a little better off if he had been removed from it. Maybe I've been away from a campus for too long, but I can't imagine a deranged man waving a knife around and people just walking past him like nothing is going on...

Repeat after me... sheep.

Dood, are you seriously surprised?
This happened on campus, where those kids are told 24/7 that violence doesn't exist, and fighting back is not an option. Nobody wants to get involved. Into anything.
 
I just went back to class today for the first time since 2003. This article and the fact I was conscious of being under equipped (but not unarmed) gives me chills.
 
Sounds like everything went as planned. Attack happens. Someone calls the police. Police stop further attacks. Everybody wins, except the guy who got his through slashed :rolleyes:. Universities are willing to sacrifice one person so they can keep their gun free zone signs up.
 
When can I start to read about the need to ban knives? The least we should be doing is banning them on our places of higher education.

Like I have said to the anti's for years, you can't stop criminals whether they have a bat, a gun, a knife, a fist, or something else, they usually are going to break the law and do some harm.

Too bad common sense isn't all that common.
 
My sister was sitting in class today and guess who decided to bust in? The cops wearing swat type equipment screaming at the top of their lungs for everyone to get on the ground. After a few seconds they rushed over took a kid slammed him agaisnt the wall and threw the cuffs on. :uhoh: I would hate to think of what the kid had done to require this type of arrest in the middle of a class at University of Central Florida. To think that my sister thought that I was a loon for wanting her to carry pepper spray:rolleyes:. Now she is begging me to pick her up some this weekend at outdoor world.:eek:
 
Gosh, and I thought such bastions of intellect were suppose to ward off all would be malefactors with its powers of matriculation and curriculum.
You know, the high-minded stuff.
 
Originally posted by Geronimo45: So... in Colorado, slashing other people is okay, but it's a crime if you stab yourself?

The police were probably not there while he was assaulting someone else. When they got to the situation they stopped him from harming himself. I dont think that anyone thinks it is ok to assault someone else.

Originally posted by Ceetee: This is the perfect argument for less-lethal weapons. Imagine the furor if the responding officers had killed the guy. You would have had his every relative screaming about how he never hurt anyone before, and he wasn't really such a bad guy, he was just temporarily off his medications...

That said, I can't help but feel the world might have been just a little better off if he had been removed from it. Maybe I've been away from a campus for too long, but I can't imagine a deranged man waving a knife around and people just walking past him like nothing is going on...

I dont you read the article. People did not know he was assaulting the other student. They just assumed they were horsing around. Unfortunately we do not all have the tactical awareness that you have.

And do you have any proof that the offenders family would be making such statements? It is also not taking The High Road by suggesting the world would be a better place without him. Try reading the following thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=205304
 
While no means a replacement for allowing students to carry firearms, that text message system is pretty cool. Assuming it gets used fairly quickly when someone reports shootings, etc.
 
I do like the idea of the text messaging system. It could be a really useful tool for students. The only problem I see is that many instructors (in my experience) ask students to turn off their cell phones, set the phone on vibrate, or encourage students to not use their phones in any way.

I think having a good intercom system would work. Similar to an airraid siren but I dont think that would go over well. Perhaps sending the texts to instructors would be a better idea? I know a lot of my instructors use Powerpoint and are online capable, why not just send out a mass instant message as well? This could be an effective means of communicating an incident or emergency as well.
 
OMG we must now ban knives from campuses!! This would obviously stop such incidents in the future and make people feel safer on campus.:rolleyes:

Next...
Bic pens
Keys
Hard soled shoes
Finger rings
Books weighing more than 2 pounds
Rocks, Stones, Tree branches
etc., etc....

Or better still, give everyone over 21 (who wants it) free training and a handgun!!
 
"Everyone thought he was doing a skit or something, but it ended up being real," student Cory Ravelson told the Daily Camera.

"He was waving around something shiny and sharp … and people were walking around him," said another student.


(sarcasm engaged)
Ladies and Gentlemen,

We will no longer tolerate the pervasive violence that afflicts our college campus which is by all accounts what the "real world" is like...from now on we will only issue sporks.
(sarcasm disengaged)

Sorry, this is off color but I remember my college experiences and it is sincerely amazing how many could walk around in a cloud like this.:banghead:
 
Every one of the four years (and counting) that I've been going to college I hear about more and more incidents of campus violence, especially stabbings. Of course, there are no guns allowed on campus, so I carry the largest, heftiest folding knife I can fit discreetly in my pocket, or an asp baton if what I'm wearing can conceal it properly. I'm not sure what the policies are on carrying either of those, but I'm not about to comprimise my right to defend myself. In principle, I would be fine with concealing a pistol on campus, but, unfortunately I don't have the stones to try and pull it off.

Regarding the text messaging system: The university I attend (Purdue) is trying to implement a campus-wide text messaging system. I think it would be effective becuase yes, you're supposed to turn off your cell in class, but everyone either puts them on vibrate or ignores the rule. The biggest problem with the idea is finding an efficient way to send 40000 simultaneous text messages. Due to limits in current software, bandwidth, and the way cell phones work, text messaging on this scale would take time, possibly an hour or two. Also, there is no garuntee that this will reach everyone. Some people do turn their phones off, some leave them at home, some don't have them, and some may not give their numbers to the university. I saw a campus-wide intercom mentioned, and there are countless other ways you could think up to alert people. Personally, I think the university should stop trying so hard to acheive the impossible in developing a campus alert system. That's treating the symptoms, not the disease. The only real solution would be to start treating the students as independant people, not subjects. Their responsibility is to teach us, not to look out for us. So let us carry or not carry as we see fit, let the responsibility for each student's safety rest where it should: on that student's shoulders. No matter how hard they try, institutions and law enforcement entities can't effectively protect anyone, it is simply not in their power. If someone starts shooting people, someone else has to take the time to let the authorities know, the authorities have to take time to get to the scene, and all the while people would still be dying. Regardless of how well or how poorly they are trained, or their intentions, it is simply not possible for them to save lives. What would save lives would be a free and empowered student body that could respond idependantly to an immediate threat, ie defend their lives.
 
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