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TheArchDuke

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How do we get the recall process on Arnold Schwarzenegger rolling?

Is that only for when the Governor breaks a law or is it also for times when we think he isn't representing the people?

I think this situation might apply.
 
Dude, how old are you? Are you in a dream? You can't possibly be serious. If you knew anything about Mexifornia politics, you couldn't sanely suggest a recall. LMAO.

A better use of your time, money, and sanity would be to help organize a movement to encourage gun manufacturers to not sell "normal" guns to Kali-LEOs.

I like your post's title though, that was clever.
 
Problem is, Arnold wasn't hated the way Davis was. Guys (and gals), its time to face the fact that short of a nice court ruling (go Supreme Court go!), California is a lost cause regarding gun rights. The people there in general do not believe in the right to keep and bear arms.

Its akin to the situation in the south 40 years ago. The people there would NOT vote for civil rights for blacks, the courts had to jump into it, and impose it.
 
We've done it before.
LOL. That's true. But folks blamed him for an "electrical crisis," where many saw their bills triple.

I'm afraid there aren't enough gun owners with a pulse to get a successful recall.
 
California is a lost cause regarding gun rights. The people there in general do not believe in the right to keep and bear arms.
CA is definitely a lost cause. Whether they believe in RKBA or not, many are just too dumb (excuse me, apathetic) to know what has transpired.

I remember during the Rodney King riots, people in LA streaming into gun stores and some panicking in disbelief that there was a waiting period to buy a gun.
 
TheArchDuke, I really think our best chance is to try to get gun manufacturers to not sell regular guns to CA-LEOs. At least that way, nation-wide pressure could be applied to those guys.
 
Yeah. You're probably right. *kicks a can*
I could go on and on, about the shear lethargy/stupidity regarding CA gunowners, but I'll just give one example...

Several years ago, Terry Friedman was a member of the California State legislature. He proposed a bill banning 9mm ammo. It didn't pass. However, after serving two terms in the State Assembly, he ran for a Superior Court judgeship in LA County and won, of course. Very few gunowners even knew this guy's legislative past! Granted, even if they had been aware of it, it's LA County and it wouldn't have mattered, but that isn't the point of course. (He was named president of the California Judges Association for 05-06.)

I could go on and on, but I'll spare ya!

Of course, I realize most of the CA posters here are not in the comatose class, but they are unfortunately an incredibly micro-minute portion of CA gunowners.
 
Regarding the governor... a recall is unlikely, but if he should run for a second term he may find that a loss of support has cost him his job. It is far easier to swing an election that's tight, then to succeed in recalling him.

The downside to this is that you would then be back to having a Democrat - which may be the case anyway.

I suspect that most of the smaller manufacturers will drop out of the California market rather then make a special gun because their sales wouldn't justify the cost, and it would largely kill them in other places. What the big guys do remain to be seen. It would be helpful if companies like Smith & Wesson, Glock, SIG/USA, H&K, Beretta, and Ruger got a ton of mail from all over the country saying, "If you go to this I will absolutely not buy any of your products."

In the end it will boil down to $$$$$$$.
 
Alright, let me advise you folks of something.

I'm really tired of the "mexifornia" "California" "lost cause" crap.

I was born in california and for a variety of reasons still live here. I'm an american, I vote, I keep abreast of, and in contact with, my representatives whether they like it or not.

Life is rough for folks like me in california these days, and it's not made any easier by folks who discount us or lump us in with the politically misguided majority here who need to be educated and not attacked, because people who are *attacked* on a point have a natural human response to defend it.

We're in this together, if you imagine that this sort of anti-RKBA legislative push stops at the california border, you're incorrect. We're losing here, and you're next bud. So instead of mocking our plight, perhaps remember that we share a common cause and fire off a letter to your own rep, or otherwise ask how you can help.
 
Not sure whether your post was aimed at me, but...
Alright, let me advise you folks of something.

I'm really tired of the "mexifornia" "California" "lost cause" crap.
Well, like it or not CA is a lost cause.
I was born in california and for a variety of reasons still live here.
My condolences, so am/do I.
I'm an american, I vote, I keep abreast of, and in contact with, my representatives whether they like it or not.
I already posted a caveat:
Of course, I realize most of the CA posters here are not in the comatose class, but they are unfortunately an incredibly micro-minute portion of CA gunowners.
The fact reamains, most CA gunowners suck, and I don't believe the zombies will rise and rush to join the NRA, CRPA or GOA of Kali. Heck, I'll bet more than a few think microstamping is a good idea! (There are many "hunters/collectors" who don't give a bleep about handguns, especially those "designed to kill humans in bunches" [semi-auto handguns] ).
 
Old Fluff writes:
Regarding the governor... a recall is unlikely, but if he should run for a second term he may find that a loss of support has cost him his job.

Dear Arnold is already a lame-duck...
It would be helpful if companies like Smith & Wesson, Glock, SIG/USA, H&K, Beretta, and Ruger got a ton of mail from all over the country saying, "If you go to this I will absolutely not buy any of your products."
We need more than letters. The companies who sell us out need to be boycotted, ala the notorious Smith & Wesson agreement.
 
Well, like it or not CA is a lost cause.

Until yesterday I would have argued with you for hours on that.

Today? Eh, who cares about CA.

A real shame huh.....

The companies who sell us out need to be boycotted, ala the notorious Smith & Wesson agreement.

This is nothing like that "agreement". You want to boycott a company that is obeying the law to stay in business?

Yeah that makes a boat load of sense.....
 
This is nothing like that "agreement". You want to boycott a company that is obeying the law to stay in business?

Yeah that makes a boat load of sense.....
I addressed those thoughts in the activism thread. I won't repeat them here. (Not that expect it to change your mind)
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Well, like it or not CA is a lost cause.

Until yesterday I would have argued with you for hours on that.
Really? That would have been interesting. It's hard to believe you really understood CA. (Not that I claim to, but that's from a different angle)
 
Why would they have gone out of business if they hadnt signed the agreement?

Don't bring the S&W thing into this, it's not the same comparison.

That's the point of my post, that this is not the same as an "agreement", this is state law.
 
Thats fair enough. I would love to see a voluntary refusal of gun companies to do business with California law enforcement over this law, but I don't think you can fault a company who chooses to just comply with California law and proceed with microstamping. This is California's problem, and you are right the S&W agreement comparison is different.
 
Unfortunately as mentioned above, the majority of CA gun owners simply don't care (or don't care until after the fact) or work under the illusion that "it will never pass".

This became pretty clear to me back when I used to regularly attend the gunshows. NRA reps would be walking the lines of people waiting to get in asking them to sign petitions against whatever law was currently up for approval, or at least passing out information on it. Most people simply turned their backs to avoid the rep, or did the "it'll never pass anyway" line.

Then of course when they went in and say, tried to buy a rifle, became perturbed when the dealer told them there would be a 15 day wait. "What!?! When the hell did that happen!?! Damn commies!"

I have a co-worker who is an avid hunter. Last week he was railing on about that damn NRA causing trouble for one of the Fish & Game commissioners regarding the lead ammo ban. He wasn't even aware of the micro-stamping bill because he doesn't care about anything but his shotgun (which his wife makes him keep in the garage).

This really is the average CA shooter / hunter. Those who aren't oblivious or don't care one way or another are often actually in favor of this type of legislation. I'm considered a right wing extremist at work (even by the few coworkers that own guns) simply because I belong to the NRA.
 
Nice post BenW (from the standpoint of misery loves company ;)).
I'm considered a right wing extremist at work (even by the few coworkers that own guns) simply because I belong to the NRA.
Prior to the 'net I could almost forgive the morons, but now they really have no excuse for at least not taking a few seconds to learn the real story.
 
Good luck on getting gun manufacturers to jump on the no sales to CA deal.

SIG, Glock, and HK are european liberal socialist run/owned companies. I'm sure they have already been working on this technology, and may even be ready for market with their new products.

S&W, Ruger and Taurus, are licking their chops as well since they know this will provide a great boost to their revolver sales.

Life will simply go on just the way it has. Even if they had passed a law that required each shotgun pellet have a serial number on it, I'm sure that would be OK with the most prolific gun owner in CA, BUBBA Hunter. Thanks BUBBA, now go watch your football game and chug a couple sixpacks before you beat your fat wife.

The gang bangers and criminals couldn't give one crap.

Because you see they are 1. Criminals and are already entitled to 10 years in jail for possesion of a firearm under federal law which, BTW they never get prosecuted for.

And BEST of all this law DOESN'T apply to Criminals, remember the case where a gang banger was caught with a, unregistered assault gun a few years back, and CA tried to prosecute him under the law that said you had to register your assault weapon?

The CA court ruled that this was an unconstitional requirement for a criminal to incriminate himself, and violated his 5th ammendment rights to remain silent/ not incriminate himself. Thus no crimminal can be prosecuted under CA law for failure to comply with this or any other gun control scheme that requires registration or involuntary incrimination. Law abiding citizens can however be prosecuted under the AW law and this one as well.
 
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to the outside observer..california is granola...fruits-nuts & flakes..having a "republican" in any office here is window dressing..is the political process corrupt here?...no more than anywhere else where political power is absolute...the main force that got Arnold elected was that former dem gov gray davis passed a bill giving illegal aliens the right to have a drivers license...and Arnold said he would overturn it if elected...and he did...

there are still some that may think illegal immigration is a border state issue..just as some may think CA is a lost cause in the gun issue..will there be more restrictive gun laws and more liberal illegal immigrant bills submitted..of course..CA is a solid blue state that the dems dont even have to campaign in for presidential consideration..think about that for a few mins..

should we change the way voting/politics is done in CA..only if we are ready for a very long uphill fight..time..energy..committment..a small group will be willing to fight..and as usual..lots of armchair generals cheering them on..

sign petitions..join the NRA...email/write/call local & state reps...all good and necessary..

what happens in CA...does not stay in CA...coming soon to a state near you..

will it get "worse" when "hilly & billy" get back in the white house...any bets they wont be back...
 
TheArchDuke, I really think our best chance is to try to get gun manufacturers to not sell regular guns to CA-LEOs. At least that way, nation-wide pressure could be applied to those guys.
Just for the sake of argument lets assume that every gun manufacturer on the planet went along and refused to sell guns to CA LEO's.

How long do you think that would stand before the FED's stepped in and forced them to sell to CA LEO's?

Not long...
No - not long...
 
1. The gun manufacturers will never stop selling to LEOs.
2. LEOs need them.
3. This wouldn't be much of a win for us because deep down most anti-gunners want unarmed police.
4. The only good thing that could come out of it is that California would start up a state arsenal that would produce wicked-good Makarovs, SKSs, and AKs for export to Capitalist states.

:evil:
 
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