Gun owners who don't know about guns

Nah...sounds hillbilly to me.
Most of us main streamers are addicted to Hoppes #9.

hard-primed Uzi ammo

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Well, I don't know what this means. I understand most Uzi's are chambered in 9x19mm but some are .45 and there may be others. Other than that what is "Uzi ammo" and how is this different from any other? I have been shooting for 15+ years and can't recall ever hearing the term "hard primed".

Scott

Ammo intended for use in an Uzi, like we used this weekend, is built to be used in a gun that strikes the primer with a lot more force than our 9mm handgun.

So we got a lot of tiny dents in the primers, but nothing went "Bang"

I may partially fall into this category. I know everything I need to know about my revolvers and single shot long guns and my bolt actions. I've only had one semi-auto and one lever action, so I probably don't know as much as I should. That's why I found this site, to learn about the semi-auto pistols and rifles among other things.

-John

Thain, if I tried to shoot regular ol' UMC 9mm out of an Uzi it wouldn't shoot?

If I am not mistaken, some ammo is loaded for subguns and their longer barrels. They are usually loaded a little hotter and also have milspec primers, which are harder than normal.

Thain, if I tried to shoot regular ol' UMC 9mm out of an Uzi it wouldn't shoot?

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Oh, it'd shoot.

Problem is, it might shoot when you don't want it too.

It’s not that uncommon. All to often, the ones that claim to know the most actually know the least!

AFAIK milspec primers are considerably harder. Free-floating firing pins in sub guns tend to slam fire with standard primers.

i'm less knowledgable than i would like to be, and unfortunately it seems like finding good sources on gun knowledge is difficult, but this site seems quite good. around me (unfortunately stuck with 30 miles of NYC) there are not that many gun enthusiasts to speak with, but i try to keep learning all the time

Thain, if I tried to shoot regular ol' UMC 9mm out of an Uzi it wouldn't shoot?

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Uh...no. It would shoot fine. But, a very vigorous strike from a carbine firing pin could more easily puncture a thinly built primer, and more importantly, a sticky firing pin in a dirty gun with a lot of rounds through it could cause slam-fires.

Most reloaders are very familliar with this. Some primers are built with tougher cups than others and are therefore harder to set off. S&W revolver shooters who use reduced-power spring kits to get a better trigger pull know that they shouldn't load CCI primers because they'll get light strikes and plenty of misfires.

I have a box of military-style CCI #34 primers sitting on my shelf right now for use in Garands, M1As, etc.

-Sam

Welcome to THR, WASR-10.

This is a great place to find out any and all aspects of guns and gun ownership.

Hard primed "uzi" ammo is for open-bolt, fixed firing pin sub machine guns. As the bolt is held open, and then strips a round from the mag, and then seats the round, the primer is extra hard to keep the round from igniting to early.

Some things like hard primers are way outside the normal scope of what gun owners are exposed too. Poor cleaning habits and other misconceptions probably come from being raised in a gun family. One in which they assume that all they do and know must be correct and complete.

Allot of gun owners do not maintain or properly take care of their guns as do car and boat owners.

Then one day it conks out or stops working any machinery needs proper care given that tools and machinery will last a long time

Without it heat rust and corrosion are some of the worst enemies of firearms and machinery along with abuse and neglect.

Take care of what you have.

My dad "likes" guns, but he doesn't know jack squat about them in technical terms. He's 48(?) and can't name the major components of a handgun.

He sprays WD-40 all over everything and refuses to believe that it's not a lubricant, but a degreaser.
He thinks a shotgun will blow you across the room, and a .45 will blow your arm off at the shoulder if you get shot in the pinky.

He thinks a .22LR has a lethal range of several miles.
He thinks birdshot will kill a man just as dead as anything else.
He thinks MGs and "silencers" are illegal, and has no idea there is such a thing as a SBS or SBR or the paperwork that accompanies them - "just take a hacksaw and cut 'em down."

He thinks that all foreign-made arms are "Commie junk" - even though I've tried explaining that "good ol' U-S-A" brands like Winchester have been made overseas for years. After getting some trigger time (and watching me get some trigger time) with my Mosins and my CZ-52, he's coming around, but...

He's just the kind of guy to believe whatever he hears from the gunshop commandos because "they know" - the kind of guy who won't do any research for himself on the subject - and he's convinced that he's always right. Just his personality type... and it grates on me enough that we aren't exactly "close," because he's that way about everything - not just guns.

One of my pet peeves just so happens to be people who happily (and loudly) spout FUBAR info and can't be bothered to verify it, thereby infecting other people just like them with said FUBAR info and perpetuating the cycle for eternity.

Kind of sad, really.

They really think of themselves as "gun people", but increasingly it seems that their gun know-how is limited to the four rules and running a brush and patch through the bore.

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Wait -- they know about the four rules?

If I have to deal with ignorance among gun owners, I'd much rather hear "only bolt-action rifles have bolts" than "don't make such a fuss, it ain't loaded."

Most casual gunowners know very little about guns. Hell, half of the guys at the gunstore have no real knowledge when it comes to guns.

The problem is, what do you have to "know" to not look like an idiot?

If you asked me off the top of my head what the drop of a certain round was at X meters, I probably couldn't tell you.

I have no idea if my XD's barrel is 4150 steel or what.

I couldn't look at a random Winchester model 70 and tell you when it was made.

I have no idea what the dimensions of a gov't spec 1911 bushing are.

I guess I don't really know much of anything, do I?

I'm pretty new to guns so I can honestly say i dont know everything about them, cant become an expert overnight. I know for a fact i know more about guns then my friend whos been into guns longer than me though

Born in '55 with a revolver placed in my dresser draw crib.
Shot that gun at age 3, 1911 at 6...

I have no idea if I have cleaning rod around the house, and couldn't tell you when I last used it.
I don't clean bores, heck I just do chambers, extraction and a few other things.

Don't toss me a FAL, a HK, or any number of other guns, I know nothing about them.
Don't ask me the last time I actually shot an AR, couldn't tell you.

I have quite a bit of trigger time on some stuff, same stuff I chose for me, as it fitted me, and stuck with it.

Still, I have shared with too many folks, I show up to take some lessons - I am the dumbest person there is. I am lower than a snakes belly.
I'll give the 3 rules of Gun Safety or the 4 Rules of Gun Safety, whichever one you want, I am willing, and instruct me.

I go see one of my gunsmith folks.
They hand me a gun, and they know I will ask "what is it, how does it work?"
I go out back shoot it , hand it back.

Something I mess with, like recently, customer showed up , gunsmith hands to me that gun, I have it apart in a second. I mess with it and for fun put back together without looking.

I have less than 1/2 of a small eye drop of Kleenbore Formula 3 for lube and about 1/16" of an inch of LSA in another small eye drop bottle.

After all these years, I still don't know everything there is about the ones I chose that fit me - I am just too dumb to try to keep up with anything newer.

I make a great pot of coffee, I'll make that , someone can teach me about guns...

Clean? I always preferred shooting over cleaning...Mentor & Elders did too, and I do as they passed to me.

He thinks birdshot will kill a man just as dead as anything else

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I would agree with him on that one, ever shoot anything up close with birdshot? Try a 2x4 from a couple of feet sometime, then tell us bird shot won't kill a man.

I have used WD-40 a lot of years on firearms, it has worked good for me.
I do understand what your saying.

Gun owners who don't know about guns

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Unfortunately that's the rule, rather than the exception. Only a small percentage of gun owners are really into guns and take the time to learn about them.