effective Self-d with 9mm in South Florida

We don't disagree, 73. I understand exactly what you are saying. I just don't agree with the notion that a person who kills another in self defense should feel bad about it. Just my stance. Not saying that my way is the right way.

marksman13,
I understand completely.I've had to pull a gun on a bad guy twice and fortunately, no fatalities occurred.
If they had, I've would had have no remorse.
But this gentleman has a different mindset.

I am morally opposed to the concept of hate crime. A crime is a crime regardless of motivation and it the hate crime laws opposed the ideal of EQUAL protection under the law. Whatever happened to justice is blind? Just not color or sexual persuasion blind.

This man acted within his rights just as everyone else should. The scum paid an immediate price and the survivor will go to jail for his ACTIONS not his motives. Considering anything else is a perversion of justice.

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Couldn't have put it better.

Um one question, why didn't he just drive away? I am all for protecting ones self and a gun will certainly do that, but why not just drive off once they hopped out? Was it because they used the N_____ word? Like a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

I don't think he could drive away. It happened at an intersection and the two guys stopped their truck in front of his. I would bet there was traffic stopped behind him, so he was boxed in and could not drive away.

...But the BSO said the verbal sparring turned violent when Lonzisero stopped his truck at the intersection of Green Road and Powerline in front of Labidou's flatbed truck...

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doc2rn
Um one question, why didn't he just drive away? I am all for protecting ones self and a gun will certainly do that, but why not just drive off once they hopped out? Was it because they used the N_____ word? Like a tootsie pop, the world may never know.
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Well...you present no facts, but you do make a nice smear of character.

Good work Ms. Brady!

It also sounds like one of them actually had a HOLD on him. Sounds like he had his windows down...

...One of the men, six feet tall and 350 pounds, tried to pull Labidou from the truck...

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The flatbed trucks commonly used in roofing and construction are not all that maneuverable especially in traffic. It's just not always possible to retreat to avoid a conflict.

These two hot heads escalated the situation rather than retreating (or just driving away) and paid the price for their own actions. Like most bullies, they probably weren't used to someone standing up to them.

Hey, Just took thwe time to send a letter of support to Labidou. See Crawdaddy Jim's post (#19) for the address. Great idea!!, Crawdaddy
It seems that Labidou would benefit from some encouragement from fellow concealed handgun carriers.

MH

Ok Nascar

Rule of gross tonnage. Two hotheads jump out of a 1/2 ton Pickup in front of you. You are in a 3.75 ton flatbed roofing truck. You can a use the accellerator pedal to get your way out! Anyone with a name like your's should at least know the gear and torque ratio on a diesel faltbed is adequate to get you out of there just by pushing. Unless you are a couch potatoe fan.
If one did get a hold of him as stated above, it would not even be a questionable shoot. I was just asking a question! We needed more pertinent information on the situation, and I needed some more facts before drawing any conclusion.
If you are gonna stoop to calling people names, I can meet you in Liberal, Ks at highnoon on a Sunday where it is still legal to have a duel according to Laws still on the books. Yup, your punk card just got pulled!

If you are gonna stoop to calling people names, I can meet you in Liberal, Ks at highnoon on a Sunday where it is still legal to have a duel according to Laws still on the books. Yup, your punk card just got pulled!

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Doc, I don't think that challenging a person to a duel is appropriate for this forum. No, I'm not the forum police. I just think that such language (writing) is totally out of place here.

I can meet you in Liberal, Ks at highnoon on a Sunday where it is still legal to have a duel according to Laws still on the books.

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Doc2rn... you keep making offers like that and, sooner or later, some damn fool will end up taking you up on it.

Seriously, that kind of crap don't even make a good joke these days.


J.C.

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Rule of gross tonnage. Two hotheads jump out of a 1/2 ton Pickup in front of you. You are in a 3.75 ton flatbed roofing truck. You can a use the accellerator pedal to get your way out! Anyone with a name like your's should at least know the gear and torque ratio on a diesel faltbed is adequate to get you out of there just by pushing. Unless you are a couch potatoe fan....
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Hmmm...you seem to know the weights of the trucks. Where did you get this information?

Also, have you consedered that plowing your way out of a Jam might hurt innocent people?

Weher do you get your information?

I am morally opposed to the concept of hate crime. A crime is a crime regardless of motivation and it the hate crime laws opposed the ideal of EQUAL protection under the law. Whatever happened to justice is blind? Just not color or sexual persuasion blind.

This man acted within his rights just as everyone else should. The scum paid an immediate price and the survivor will go to jail for his ACTIONS not his motives. Considering anything else is a perversion of justice.

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Amen, brother.

In order I live in Ks, I learned to drive in a 5 ton grain truck and a Farmall tractor. I got most of my information from working as a roofer in highschool.The small truck we had for dumpin old shingles was 3.75 ton, and that was a small one. The elevator trucks weigh much more.
Yes and loss of life should be avoided at all cost. Big difference between hurting and killing someone.
I got most of my information on this topic by reading the whole thing, and I still dont know what to make of it. Otherwise like any good college grad student I do research and try to make an informed opinion. I wasn't being a neh-sayer, I was merely commenting on the transcript of his 911 call. You know that if it ever goes to court that will be brought up. It will also be brought up that he shot an unarmed man as well as an armed one.
The one thing I am taking away from this is never bring a knife to a gunfight.

doc2rn,
Is dueling really still legal in(if so perfectly named )Liberal,KS or just sarcasm on your part?I'm naive and easily taken in!
I was in Liberal for 5 minutes,right over the Oklahoma border in 1996 while on the way to Sante Fe,NM ,just to be able to say I've been to Kansas.It was dusty,windy and forlorn looking.
Seems like great dueling country if its still legal!

One of my friends did a paper on CCW's, and yes that law is still on the books in some old towns, I am not 100% sure on if it is Liberal or not. My point was making dumb statements is unwaranted, just like name calling. Guess I should have explained that better. Federal law still trumps state law, so murder is illegal, no matter what law is still on the books.

Some time back I was involved in a self defense situation and reported it here, primarily for education purposes. I was fascinated by the number of second guessers that responded with criticisms and exact descriptions of what I should have done, though they had never experienced anything like the incident. If you haven't been there, you can't comment intelligently. If you sit back in your easy chair and ponder what someone should have done when they were in great personal danger with only seconds to decide what to do, you are unrealistic at best. I phrase it this way to stay on the high road,my real thoughts are somewhat darker. The bad guys got shot and the good guy walked away, this is a successful end to the story.

Actual more firearm deaths are caused by the lowly 22lr, not because of their power, but due to the fact that they out number other calibers 10x1.Also I'm not going to damage my vehicle when I have a gun and my antagonists are armed with a knife.Common sense tells you not to wreck your vehicle when it is the source of your income.Also ramming their vehicle in the rear puts you at fault and responsible for their damages.Lots of reasons not to do what was suggested above and in real life whether armed or not, doubtful more than one in one hundred would choose that option.

It was good to see a letter in today's Miami Herald directed to Mr Labidou:
'Thank you,Hygens Labidou.I'm sorry you had to go through this horrible incident of road rage.But I want to thank you for buying the gun and getting a permit to carry it.The streets of South Florida(maybe everywhere)are a little safer now.
The "bad guys"never know whether their intended victims may be well prepared to defend themselves or family.We need more good people like you.I also thank the Florida Legislature for approving laws that allow us to defend ourselves in a world full of predators.'
Larry P.Menoher,Miami,FL
Fine job by Mr. Menoher and I must compliment the Herald for printing his excellent letter.

Florida has the castle doctrine. He was there lawfully and had no duty to retreat. Maybe he was scared and thought his life was in danger and considered that his pistol had a better chance of stopping his assailants than the option of trying to drive his larger vehicle through the smaller ones around him and hope he didn't get stabbed while doing it...

He shot an unarmed man as well as an armed one, eh?

Well... I have to say that if I was being attacked by multiple assailants and I happen to see one weapon ready for use against me, I'm inclined to believe one of two things:

1. The other assailant is armed too and I just haven't seen it yet.
2. The "unarmed" assailant is capable of causing enough problems for me that the other assailant can use his weapon on me effectively so therefor needs to be removed from the equation.

Nobody in their right mind wants to kill another human being. At most, we wonder how we would stand up to the ultimate life/death test, but that falls far short of a real desire to field-test any theories.

I, for one, believe that he unequivocally did the right thing. Battering his way through with his vehicle may have killed the child in the car or injured/killed other motorists. He drew his weapon and engaged the threats in a controlled manner hurting no bystanders (thankfully). These jerks who attacked him... I'm sure that this wasn't the first time they have done something like this. I have no sympathy for them. Good riddance to bad trash.

Oh No!
A 9mm simply will not do!
You MUST carry and use a .479 Wildebeast auto or you aren't a real macho hombre!

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Priceless.

Sounds to me like he did a good thing. In deadly force situations, one side is going to get to go home to their family at the end of the day. It's better if your the guy that lives to see another day. No reason he should feel guilty, it's not his fault the idiot brought a knife to a gun fight.

I agree with the poster(s) that point out that us "whities" ain't crying racism...
trash is trash and they caused their own demise.

I also don't see a need to drive through other vehicles and put myself or others at additional unknown risk. I have been attacked a couple times while armed and retreated but it did not put myself or others at risk doing so.