Vermont is the second safest state in the US.

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It also has some of the most liberal (liberal as in permissive) gun laws in the US, requiring neither permit nor license for purchase or carry of weapons. It's also politically liberal, allowing civil unions between same-sex couples and providing free health insurance for kids. Furthermore, minor parties are reasonably popular there, as they don't get wiped off the ballots.

I see I'm not the only liberal with an intense support for gun rights. Apparently, there's an entire state of them. Yay, freedom.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont
 
Might be because it is one of the least populated stated in the country also
 
Vermont is the second safest state in the US. …

It's also politically liberal,...---


I would think, without doing the research, that the more politically liberal states would have higher rates of crime. But I could be wrong.


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jkelly
 
Vermont is changing. The northeast liberals form NY and Mass are moving there in a kind of late in life attempt at the ultimate Hippie commune. Look for dramatic reductioin in personal rights including more restrictive gun laws.
 
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They may have great gun laws, but I have read that the 'gun culture' is somewhat limited in Vermont. Just not as much interest as in some other parts of the country. A decade or so ago, my wife and I took a tour through the state (my parents live in Maine, I live in the Midwest). Vermont is BEAUTIFUL!! We visited a nice gun store in the southern part of the state. They had some really nice long guns, but they were in the process of phasing out the stocking of handguns. I was told by the folks in the store that there was just not that much interest in them. They would continue to special order, but no longer stock them.

Any comments from Vermonters?
 
I believe they cannot pass more restrictive gun laws, due to the Vermont Constitution, IIRC. Nice place, but col in the winter, and being in New England, probably has sky high taxes. Pass, thanks.
 
Might be because it is one of the least populated stated in the country also
This is true. But the crime rate per 100,000 population is what is low in Vermont, not just the total number of crimes. Also both Wyoming and District of Columbia have smaller populations than Vermont but higher crime rates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html

And the population density in Wyoming is way lower than Vermont; BGs have to drive a ways in Wyoming to find a victim.

Also not only does not Vermont have any real gun control laws, [INCORRECT INFO ALERT! SEE POST 37 BELOW] it has no anti trespassing laws either (or at least did not used to.) As long as someone in not damaging your property or invading your privacy (looking in your window) you can’t legally make them leave your land.[END INCORRECT INFO ALERT] A far cry from Texas, where I think [JOKE ALERT!]State law requires you to shoot trespasses on sight. Even ones on your neighbors’ property.[END JOKE ALERT]

I would think, without doing the research, that the more politically liberal states would have higher rates of crime. But I could be wrong.
Last chart on this page:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169

…lists murder rates per 10,000 population by state, highest rate states at the top. You all can decide which are liberal.

Edited to add some more population & crime stats:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html
 
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Hmm , Maine ranks #3 for safest state , yet is a "blue" state with a lot of liberal leanings . Also has minimal gun laws .

I think one reason for Maine's lack of crime has to do with it's more urban/back woods environment. We don't have "big" cities here . The biggest is only 60000 people . Gun owners are NOT the minority except in the "progressive" city of Portland or near the college campuses .


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I would think, without doing the research, that the more politically liberal states would have higher rates of crime. But I could be wrong.
Last chart on this page:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169

…lists murder rates per 10,000 population by state, highest rate states at the top. You all can decide which are liberal.

Interesting . The states that DO have capital punishment tend to have higher murder rates and the ones that don't have lower . I thought capital punishment was suppose to be a deterrent ?
 
A far cry from Texas, where I think State law requires you to shoot trespasses (sic) on sight. Even ones on your neighbors’ property.

I hope that was a joke, however poor it is.

Requires you to shoot trespasses (sic) on sight?? No, far from it.
Permits one to use lethal force? Yes, under certain conditions.

Sheesh.
 
The states that DO have capital punishment tend to have higher murder rates and the ones that don't have lower . I thought capital punishment was suppose to be a deterrent ?
Capital punishment isn't much of a deterrent when it occurs only after 25 years of waiting and appeals. If it happened within 30 days of sentencing, then maybe the young punks would take notice. As it is, they probably just see some old guy getting the chair for something that occurred before they were born.

Vermont is (or was) one of the most rural states in the union. This probably has way more to do with the low crime rates than any government policy does. Also, it is a much slower lifestyle there, where people get to know each other. There is a "live and let live" attitude, which is evidenced by their permission of gay civil unions and unlicensed firearms carry.
 
Yupper we can make a trespasser leave and in a hurry if need be. Part of 13 VSA 3705. Short version: Part of Right to excule visitors. If signs are posted or if they are told to leave the porperty when no signs are posted.

If they continue coming at you and you fear harm/life then you may do what you must to STOP them.

As to taxes, worse then some, better than others, but very free to take care of ourselfs. The way it should be.
 
Vermont's gun laws are a remnant of it's conservative past. The constitution is fairly strong on gun rights, but I doubt it would hold up to the judges we have up here now. They are very activist and find all kinds of things in the constitution that no one else can.

The last several decades have seen Vermont inundated with first hippies and now MA, NY liberals who can sell their million dollar home and buy a Vermont mansion for $300,000. In fact VT has a higher percentage of retirees per capita than any other state including FL. Where this hurts us the most is that these retired liberals have nothing better to do than run for public office and turn VT into the state they decided to leave because it was too expensive and crime laden. The rest of us have to work for a living.

The fact that gun laws haven't changed in so long is a small miracle considering the current state of affairs. Some of it might be traced to the fact that our legislature spends all it's time on the ridiculous, unimportant stuff but that's just a guess.

The gun stores I've been too have plenty of handguns. Especially those in Williston. That's where I've purchased most of mine. However you're right about there being a lot missing from the "gun culture." Instructors are few and far between and you'll never find any NRA events here.

The trespassing thing is incorrect. You can tell anyone to leave your property. In fact, you can tell who the NY, MA people are because they buy an old farm, renovate it until it looks nothing like a farm and put posted signs everywhere. (Then of course, they try to get the local government to pass laws so their neighbor who's lived there in a trailer or shack for the last 20 years has to clean up his yard and or renovate his place so THEIR new house's property value doesn't go down.)
 
vtoddball you are right on the money. Some of the things that have been happenening even in the last few years just make me sick.

Off-topic:Is that the Powderhorn you buy your guns from?

Most of the state is pretty logical and gun friendly, except Burlington (hey, the nice thing about Burlington is its so close to Vermont).

I am kind of happy with the housing market issues, it is making a 40 acre development in beautiful woods near my house possibly stop, and there is a chance a 90 unit low income housing unit near my house might stop because of it too.

I have heard of at least half a dozen personal stories of MA and NY city folks moving in and putting up no tresspassing signs. I even heard one story of a range master I worked with, kids used to walk to school through 3 or 4 lots in his area, saved a ton of time, some NY folks moved in and told the kids they couldn't cut through their forested area to get to school.
 
I DO think that non restrictive gun laws help with Vermont's lower crime rate.

My neighbor had an incoherent, drugged up guy try to break into his house in the middle of the day. He had his .270 pointed at the guy and called 911. He told the guy, "you come through that window and I will shoot you." The 911 dispatcher asked who had the gun and he said he did. She never told him not to shoot the guy. In fact, he gave her my name, and she patched him over to my phone line so he could ask me to come over with my gun. Troopers, sheriff and Border Patrol showed up and didn't have a problem that both of us had guns on us.

(Turns out the guy had been horsing around with some friends(on drugs), shot one of them in the a** with a .22 and the guy's family beat the ever loving crap out of him and left him in the road. He wandered around for a mile or so bleeding, high and confused before deciding my neighbor's house looked like a good one to get out of the cold in. Broke a tiny window that he had no chance of climbing in before becoming intimate with the muzzle of a .270. )


Woo hoo! 100 posts.
 
We have a cabin in Vermont. The gun culture is predominantly hunters not alot of just plinkers. I remember the lady who ran a horse riding place hunted deer with a muzzle loader. We shoot trap off our cabins deck and no ones said anything. Its a very free state but I would not worry about those liberal NY and Mass folks its pretty much impossible to gain state residency. You need to pay taxes only in the state of Vermont and own property for 6 years. The state residence requirements are drafted specificly to prevent that so dont worry.
 
While I am pro gun, stats like that can be misleading. Vermont is not plagued with many of the ills of other states % wise. So while gun ownership might be a part of the reason, I doubt it is the main one.
 
You need to pay taxes only in the state of Vermont and own property for 6 years. The state residence requirements are drafted specificly to prevent that so dont worry.

thats dumb. so if i move to VT, which i hope to ( relax im a good Mass hole & want nothing to do with gov) legaly i wouldnt be a resident until 6 years after i OWN property?! so legaly i couldnt buy a handgun in state, as i wouldnt be a VT resident. and id have to own property? what about people who rent? thats possibly the dumbest thing. i can understand the tax thing. but the 6 years is not cool
 
Burn that "firing liscense" Hoppy, Vermont has no law on that or concealed carry.

18 to buy ammo, 21 for firearm, no restriction on who shoots, private sales, weapons handling, just the way it should be.
 
You need to pay taxes only in the state of Vermont and own property for 6 years. The state residence requirements are drafted specificly to prevent that so dont worry.

Huh? That's ridiculous. Establish residency for what? If you want to buy a gun in VT you need a driver's license with a VT address or bills that establish 3 months of residency. If you want a resident hunting license you need proof of 12 months of residency. For pretty much everything else, you move in, get a VT driver's license and you're set. Just like any other state. No one can demand you own property to establish residency.
 
Just some other legal info(excluding federal laws which you should all know already)....

Suppressors are illegal with a $25 fine if caught.

Can have a gun on school property unless you have intent to hurt somebody but not in the building.

Long guns can't be loaded while in a vehicle.

Anyone who isn't excluded from owning a gun can carry it concealed or OC.
 
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