How Quickly They Forget - Anti-Gun GOP Candidates

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Not too many gun-owners seem suprised when informed of Rudy Guliani's anti-gun record...

"...Giuliani sued gun makers and distributors, backed a federal assault weapons ban and once described the NRA as extremist..."
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/giuliani_ap_interview/2007/09/25/35598.html

It raises a few more eyebrows to learn that just a few years ago (2004), Mitt Romney signed an "Assault Weapons Ban" in Massachusetts.
http://www.iberkshires.com/story.php?story_id=14812

But what does seem to surprise many, perhaps because of his reputation as a "War Hero", is how Arizona Senator John McCain has been one of the Second Amendment's most active enemies and worst threats. For example, he was NRA's nemisis as recent as 2001, pushing "Gun Show Loophole" (sic) legislation that would have ended gun shows in America.
http://nrawinningteam.com/0102/gunshowbill.html

1999: McCain on Guns
http://nrawinningteam.com/mccain1.html

2000: McCain-Lautenberg?
http://nrawinningteam.com/0010/mccain.html

2001: Senator McCain On The Big Screen
http://nrawinningteam.com/0105/mccain.html
 
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Thanks for keeping us informed!

I think they need to expand straight ticket voting to include not just Republican or Democrat but also include a straight ticket Pro-Gun..
 
McCain's record should not come as a suprise to those that live in Arizona. We know that our Senator often says whatever is popular at the moment. :barf:
 
Having been at Navy Football games & tossed footballs with McCain, I am embarrassed to have associated with him (in my defense, I was 4 or 5 years old at the time). My father was USNA graduate from 1958, and all but a very few members of his class have pretty much nothing to do with him anymore. Sad, he is definitely a "politicians" politician.

McCain is no friend of the 2nd Amendment, as McCain-Feingold has trampled the 1st Amendment rights.
 
Please e-mail all the remaining candidates and urge them to support the Second Amendment.

One of these critters is going to be our next President. NOW is the time they are forming their stump speeches and promises. The more we can get them to respond to grass-roots efforts to support RKBA, the better.
 
Huckabee claims to be pro2a... but then again, he claims to be all kinds of conservative... his record doesn't back him up.

McCain, Giuliani, and Romney... It's not just their anti-2a position (though that's important)... they're anti-justabouteverythingI'mfor! McCain should be strung up for McCain/Feingold and the 'gang of 14' garbage. Giuliani and Romney are both typical Rockefeller Republicans.

Stock up on AR mags, and if you were wanting anything on the latest ban lists... nows the time!
 
I'm a very long time Republican and I am livid that the RNC could not find a viable pro-gun candidate for the office of POTUS. Just wrote the scumbags at the RNC a letter and told them to not expect any campaign donations this year or ever. Money budgeted for the Republican party will go to Make-A-Wish.

Ain't drinking the Kool Aid any more. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. I gotta puke.
 
I'm a very long time Republican and I am livid that the RNC could not find a viable pro-gun candidate for the office of POTUS. Just wrote the scumbags at the RNC a letter and told them to not expect any campaign donations this year or ever. Money budgeted for the Republican party will go to Make-A-Wish.
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Ron Paul: I share our Founders’ belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. They ratified the Second Amendment knowing that this right is the guardian of every other right, and they all would be horrified by the proliferation of unconstitutional legislation that prevents law-abiding Americans from exercising this right.

I have always supported the Second Amendment and these are some of the bills I have introduced in the current Congress to help restore respect for it:

* H.R. 1096 includes provisions repealing the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the Federal Firearms License Reform Act of 1993, two invasive and unconstitutional bills.
* H.R. 1897 would end the ban on carrying a firearm in the National Park System, restoring Americans’ ability to protect themselves in potentially hazardous situations.
* H.R. 3305 would allow pilots and specially assigned law enforcement personnel to carry firearms in order to protect airline passengers, possibly preventing future 9/11-style attacks.
* H.R. 1146 would end our membership in the United Nations, protecting us from their attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely.

In the past, I introduced legislation to repeal the so-called “assault weapons” ban before its 2004 sunset, and I will oppose any attempts to reinstate it.

I also recently opposed H.R. 2640, which would allow government-appointed psychiatrists to ban U.S. veterans experiencing even mild forms of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome from ever owning a gun.

You have the right to protect your life, liberty, and property. As President, I will continue to guard the liberties stated in the Second Amendment.
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If Paul doesn't get in, I'm not voting for Guiliani/Romney/Huckabee over Barack Hussein Obama/Clinton. They are all the same to me.
 
Geister's got it 100%.

Obama/Clinton will be better for gun rights than a "Rudy McRomney" administration because the Repubs will at least be energized to put on a show opposing Democrat legislation; they will rubber stamp new legislation from a neoCon New England blue-blood "Republican."

My vote goes to Dr. Paul.
 
Huckabee claims to be pro2a... but then again, he claims to be all kinds of conservative... his record doesn't back him up.
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Really:confused: Would you mind backing with facts how Huck's record on Second Amendment does not back his stated views on the subject?

He's an NRA member, concealed carry license holder, life-long hunter, one of the 25 most influential outdoorsmen (according to Outdoor Life), and the only one I know who for sure owns firearms.
 
Obama/Clinton will be better for gun rights than a "Rudy McRomney" administration because the Repubs will at least be energized to put on a show opposing Democrat legislation; they will rubber stamp new legislation from a neoCon New England blue-blood "Republican."
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Obama, Clinton, and Edwards are committed to removing firearms from individual owners.

With a Democrat-controlled Congress they should have no trouble in doing so. With an NRA weakened by attacks here and elsewhere from many gun owners and so-called "no compromise" gun rights groups there will be little effective resistance to that effort.

When gun owners withdraw support from the Republican Party, that party would have to be dominated by fools and morons if it showed any consideration at all for gun owners. An unpredictable constituency is no constituency at all.

After Clinton, Obama, or Edwards becomes our next President your only hope as a gun owner will be if you get a big ball of twine for each gun you own, tie one end to the trigger guard, and play out the twine while the gun goes to the smelter. If you're very fast you might be able to jerk it back before it's melted. Keep pulling on the twine and maybe you can jiggle the gun back along the highway to your home.

This election is not like playing Go Fish with mom and dad. It is for keeps. You don't get your cookies back when the game is over. And you don't get to play "double or nothing" until you win. This particular game is one in which the losers lose everything after they count themselves out.

Message threads like these came fast and furious before the last election too. A lot of gun owners said the same things then that are being said now. And some of us who witnessed it with horror then said the same things I am saying now. It was to no avail then and, sadly, it is likely to be to now avail now.

When gun owners desert the Republican Party to teach it a lesson, or for any other reason, they wind up losing. One of the ways they lose is the way they have already lost and will continue to lose.

Those gun owners have helped create a situation in which there is no advantage to the Republican Party to develop strongly pro gun candidates. The reason is that gun owners have taken themselves out of the power base. Continuing to withdraw from it will cause more damage, not less.

You don't get to play after you leave the game.
 
When gun owners withdraw support from the Republican Party, that party would have to be dominated by fools and morons if it showed any consideration at all for gun owners. An unpredictable constituency is no constituency at all.
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What? When the gun owners give the Republicans a blank check, regardless of what they do... they STILL lose.

If I'm going to lose no matter what I do, then I intend to at least have some dignity left intact.
 
I think your wookie mask is on a little tight......
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Woah, that was close! We almost engaged in a serious policy discussion without insulting Paul supporters! Thanks for stepping up, dude.

Back to the topic, I actually trust Huckabee when it comes to the 2A specifically, but while governor, he helped push through some of the "health initiatives like the smoking ban in restaurants and the schools keeping track of how fat our kids are. That's the kind of nanny-statism that I'm not too interested in from my candidate. I wish Paul was doing better, I would love to see someone who means it when he says "smaller government" actually make it through the primaries. But I guess our choices this time are "more of the same" or "worse".
 
I don't agree with everything Mike Huckabee stands for, but here is his statement on the 2nd:

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The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be
able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.
Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control based on geography.
I consistently opposed banning assault weapons and opposed the Brady Bill.
As Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.
I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license.

No candidate has a stronger, more consistent record on Second Amendment rights than I do. Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment. They knew that a government facing an armed populace was less likely to take away our rights, while a disarmed population wouldn't have much hope. As Ronald Reagan reminded us, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Without our Second Amendment rights, all of our other rights aren't inalienable, they're just "on loan" from the government.

Other candidates say gun control doesn't affect hunting. Now I'm a very avid hunter, but the Second Amendment isn't really about hunting. It's about tyranny and self-defense. The Founding Fathers weren't worried about our being able to bag a duck or a deer, they were worried about our keeping our fundamental freedoms.

I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." Criminals will always find a way to get guns. By disarming our law-abiding citizens, we take away the strongest deterrent to violent criminals - the uncertainty that they don't know who is helpless and who is armed. Our law enforcement officials can't be everywhere, all the time. Lawfully-armed citizens back them up and prevent robberies, rapes, and the murder of innocents. Right after Katrina, with law enforcement non-existent, many victims were able to protect their lives, their homes, and their precious supplies of food and water only because they were armed.

Other candidates believe gun control should be determined geographically, but Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. Your Second Amendment rights don't change when you change your address.

Other candidates filed frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers. When I was Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from exactly those types of suits. I allowed former law enforcement officials to carry concealed handguns and removed restrictions on concealed handgun permit holders. I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license, and of course I'm a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association.

Other candidates have supported banning assault weapons. When the federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, I said, "May it rest in peace." It won't be returning in the Huckabee Administration.

Zealously protecting your Second Amendment rights is another way that I will lift all law-abiding Americans up, by consistently championing your right to defend yourself.
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Right there he plainly says it isn't about hunting! It's about tyranny and self-defense!!!
 
Its tough to get a candidate to make any kind of statement about any issue as clear and unequivical as Huckabee and RP have about the 2A.

One thing I deeply respect about RP is his willingness to stick to his principles and not bend them to suit the current audience.

Huckabee has not wavered to my knowledge on his 2A support, nor has RP. The remaining democratic candidates are all anti-2A, and the republicans are only somewhat better with the possible exception of Romney. I suspect he is like many politicians from very liberal states. You have to live in the environment you have, not the one you would like to have. MA is a very liberal and somewhat anti-gun state. In politics you have to pick your fights. It does no good to have your veto overridden by an 80-20% margin everytime, so you must deal with that problem in a realistic way, and get the best deal you can from a given situation.

I seriously doubt he is in favor of gay marriage either. But it is not as if he could do anything about it in MA. Its just the character of the state, and you have to deal with it or move elsewhere.

I don't think Guiliani is as virulently anti-gun as some think either, despite some of the things he has said in the past.

My guess is none of the other republican candidates actually really care all that much about guns at all. Its an issue they have to deal with so they deal with it in ways they think will harm them the least. We can make it more important to them by making it quite clear that it is important to a lot of voters. Shrill diatribe and hatred won't do that.
 
"I don't think Guiliani is as virulently anti-gun as some think either, despite some of the things he has said in the past."

Does the fact that Rudy Baby sued US gun makers for the acts of violent criminals bother you?
 
With a Democrat-controlled Congress they should have no trouble in doing so. With an NRA weakened by attacks here and elsewhere from many gun owners and so-called "no compromise" gun rights groups there will be little effective resistance to that effort.
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Not as long as Republicans and/or pro-gunners hold on to 41 Senate seats. (that's why I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Norm Coleman)
 
"I don't think Guiliani is as virulently anti-gun as some think either, despite some of the things he has said in the past."

Does the fact that Rudy Baby sued US gun makers for the acts of violent criminals bother you?
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Of course it bothers me. I just don't see him caring a whole lot about his anti-2A stance. It just does not seem to be a big part of his persona.
 
He actively pursued gun makers instead of criminals. He didn't just sign some laws that showed up on his desk- he went out of his way to damage lawful gun owners and manufacturers.
 
Over the cliff with McCain

McCain's record should not come as a suprise to those that live in Arizona. We know that our Senator often says whatever is popular at the moment.
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Not a surprise to hear.

I believe in all of the Amendments and having sworn to defend the Constitution like many of you and having been shot at and hit in the process, I used to look at McCain and find much to admire. Anyone who sat for 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton hell hole gets a big stack of benefit of the doubt from me.

However, McCain has burned all of my goodwill over the years. The first was his angry resistance to the Bush Tax Cuts. He now claims he just wanted to cut spending. At the time he claimed it was just for the country club fat cats.

McCain could be the darling of the NRA and pack heat in the Senate and I would not want him leading the charge against a Barack Hussein Obama - Hillary Clinton ticket. He is way wrong on too many of the other things I care about.

Anyone who is the darling of the New York Times bears considerable watching! The libs love him as long as he is tripping up the Republicans and taking heroic stands on global warming, drilling in Alaska, waterboarding, legal representation of terrorists, etc. But against Obama or Hillary they would suddenly realize that he is too old, too ill, too angry, too unstable, too corrupt, too much of a flip-flopper on illegal immigration and tax cuts and of course his newfound affection for the religious right would be a show stopper!

Having said this I will vote for him big time over the socialist or the Marxist or both. I am not into shooting myself and my grandchildren in the foot to teach anyone a lesson.
 
Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are the only non-3rd party candidates who are not gun grabbers.
 
Huckabee-Paul vs Obama-Clinton?

Vote for Ron Paul or stop complaining.
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Well that settles it for me. No complaining.

Ron Paul strikes me a guy who is strongly convinced that he is right because he likes the sound of his strident voice. And I know he strikes a chord in many anti-establishment folks. Frankly I think he is a nut-case. Who but a nut would say with a straight face that he sponsored a number of ear marks for his district but voted against all of the bills?

I also recognize that 'Huckabee-Paul for President/VP' has a nice ring. And yes, he has managed to attract many from the religious right.

However his positions and makes him like a Jimmy Carter in Republican / preachers robes. I think he is a nanny state reformed fat guy who wants to jam his great ideas down my throat. No more Cool Whip (trans fats) and cigars (nicotine) with this guy. And all his Johnny come lately to the immigration issue after welcoming them to his state and offering College tuition makes me irritable. And with his liberal instincts I would not trust him on 2A...

IMHO, But with no complaints from this shooter!
 
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