An About Face After Being Saved by a Gun Owner

(quote) "I liked pax jordana's revision better."

Yeah, me too !! Had me laughing out loud !!!

Good story, but I have to toss the BS flag for 2 reasons:

- GOA stickers. Never seen one.
- The writer purchased a shotgun for home defense, and is now looking into getting her carry permit? Newbies usually purchase a handgun first. Later they learn that a shotgun might be a better choice for the home. A shotgun first and handgun next is the "right" order, but newbies don't usually know or follow it.

One last point - no police involvement? No police report? A long-time, vicious anti is going to call the cops when this happens. They aren't going to have an epiphany right on the spot and just walk away. And even if she didn't, the guy who pulled his gun should have, and she would have been included in the report.

Although I would like it to be true, I'm calling BS, mainly in reference to the gun as a "tool" for use. Only a big RKBA advocate uses this argument. The terms are off and too specific.

Also for a defensive gun her first purchase was a shotgun??? Given the circumstance it would have most likely been a handgun of some sort, and possibly reference to at least pepper spray at first. For a first timer I find it really hard to believe that a shotgun was the first purchase. My wife HATES my shotguns, they are too loud, kick too hard, and are big and heavy. She is still relatively "new" to shooting (4 years).

If only converts were that easy. The other thing is logically she most likely would not have put 2 and 2 together and thought the man with the gun was part of the gang and was going to shoot her, she had a kid with her as well, while as a robbery is a possibility, an abduction with a child is unlikely as for one, they are loud, 2 unless they are pedophiles (highly unlikely with 2) they wanted her, women with children tend to fight more.

An open McDonald's parking lot, although a possibility, would have much more likely occurred in a much less populated place. They also usually take place where surveillance cameras are not in use, McDonald's has them all over the building, including inside.

Another point is if this was "off the interstate" most likely they got there by some means other than walking, so where is the car? Far more likely they would do an abduction in their own vehicle, and as it seems planned a vehicle other than something that would make it difficult to sexually assault someone in a cramped car.

As stated before, while possible, highly unlikely.

It might be fiction, but it's "true" now and forever, because it's on the internet.

Like the bogus writings attributed to George Carlin, it will never die.

(At least when I write fiction, I don't hide the fact that I made it up.)

The email address they provide for Brian Clifford is not an active account. "Mailbox not found" If this is from 2000, that is pretty understandable, but still it only casts more doubt on the story.

I'm thinking best case scenario, this is fiction based on a true story. That or the letter writer got a lot of help composing the letter from an RKBA activist.

I searched on Snopes for it, didn't find anything one way or the other. I submitted it to them so perhaps they can do some more digging around. They have several hundred gun related stories they've checked out, so hopefully they'll take this one.

Anyone else know of some fact checker websites to verify with? I'm with most here in that it sounds too pat to be fully honest.

I believe it....

Never mind.....

Yes, I called the police.

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Ah. And how did you then respond when they started asking questions and start collecting some... oh, I dunno... proof and stuff that a crime did indeed take place?

But, for the nay-sayers and "I need proof" nazi's, That's the same as calling someone who posts here a liar.

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Really? So what happens then if it's proven to be a false story? Or wait, I guess we'd never know, seeing as how we all should take these stories at face value.

Sure, take it and everything else you see on the idiot-net with a grain of salt. I do.

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Ah. So I shouldn't ask for some verification about a story I'm interested in and would frankly like to believe, but instead I'll just toss it, along with every other opinion on the 'net, in the trash as none of it really has any value, until, somehow, magically, some proof appears one way or the other?

If you "need proof" of my incident...... Bite me.

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Why take it so personally?

Although I do not wish to offend anyone here, I do need more proof than a post from someone second hand.
So if one is offended because I don't believe it then so be it.

Personally, I doubt that such an incident ever happened anywhere to anyone. I think it might take a gullible person to accept it at face value. I accept that some CHL might have saved someone from rape or serious harm, but even then I don't take such posts at face value. It is too easy to make exorbitant claims on the internet.

I once read a post on one of the forums posted by a guy (The Poster himself) who thwarted some gang members. Later they attacked him at home in his yard, and the tale of how he fell and rolled and shot them up would rival any dime novel. It was just a flat out lie.

I will continue to believe that if this tale were true the NRA, GOA, and other such organizations would pick it up, and spread it to everyone who would read or listen.

Regards,
Jerry

hmmmm. I'm calling B.S. on this one. I'm an avid gun guy and I've never even seen a GOA sticker on a car - this anti-gunner did?

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- GOA stickers. Never seen one.

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For the folks who have never seen a GOA sticker, here is what the window decal lloks like (on my main gun tool box, also have one on my .22 gun tool box):

Well as far as the GOA stickers, if she frequented anti-gun rallies and had "even yelled some not so nice things to those other marchers" that means Pro-2A activists were around and she might have seen the stickers on cars parked nearby those rallies.

Also those rest stops have more than just McDonalds there. She doesn't say she stopped to go to McDonalds.

Although I gotta admit is sounds a little too perfect. If it's true then I think she got some help writing it. But I am not ready to start sending it to people claiming it's true.

Well, the part that's suspicious to me is where she is in or just exiting an apparently safe building and sees two no-accounts hanging around her car - and then she just takes her child right to them. Maybe that's part of the anti gun mentality. On the other hand, for those who say it seems like it was written by a rkba person, isn't that what she says she has become? I've talked to anti gun people who have never heard of GOA, whereas they all know of the NRA. But that doesn't mean a contributor, marcher type wouldn't know about gun groups we don't even know about. I don't think there's any way to know if it's true or not. I suspect it probably has happened, more or less, maybe several times, so what's the difference?

1. this story is close to home. why didn't i hear about it?

2. i wouldn't be surprised if it didn't make the news (assuming it did happen). the New England press doesn't LIKE to report about lawful CCW interventions.

3. confirmation sure would be nice.

I think it smacks of BS. I would never cite or promulgate something like that when there are plenty of true, verifiable, documented cases where "the mere presence of a firearm, without a shot necessarily being fired" saved the day, which appear in the American Rifleman every month.

Five or six of them. Documented. Verifiable. Every month.

The "conversion" factor is appealing in this story, but, as I used to sigline: "It will take either a good mugging or a good tyranny to change some folks' minds."

That definitely pegs the BS meter. It's laughably bad.

An interesting article, but I am always saddened that a person can’t conceive of why guns in the hands of the law abiding may be a good idea until it has personal relevance to them.

It’s also a shame this person remained anonymous, had a friend submit it, and submit it to a pro gun groups page. Had she written it in her own name and submitted it to her local paper or something, it would carry some real weight. As it, it preaches to the believers and is open to attack from lack of credibility.

Well, the Gender Analyzer (http://bookblog.net/gender/genie.php) says it was written by a woman, so that's one data point.

Call me a cynic, but I don't believe a word of it.

I want it to be true. I want to use it and forward it. I want proof.