Barbaric Britain

Well, here's the problem, that BCS paper doesn't give me a per 100,000 burglary rate. Where can I find it?

its not a BCS paper, it contains the recorded crime stats also, on the page indicated.

if you want per 100000 inhabitants, you'll have to do that yourself, unless its buried in an appendix somewhere.

Recorded burglary rate...

2001

Breaking and Entering (burglary, right), rates per 100,000

UK

England and Wales: 1,605.14 - http://www.interpol.int/Public/Statistics/ICS/2001/UKEnglandWales2001.pdf

Northern Ireland: 647.17
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Statistics/ICS/2001/UKNorthernIreland2001.pdf

Scotland: 1,652.93
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Statistics/ICS/2001/UKScotland2001.pdf


USA:
740.80
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Statistics/ICS/2001/usa2001.pdf
So the USA has less burglaries than any part of the UK, except Northern Ireland. Want to try calculate the average burglary rate for the entire UK (Inerpol doesn't give it)

micro,

nice - bit burglary was not the issue here - rather "home invasions", which are higher in the US.

Is a home invasion the same as a "hot burglary"?

micro,

This was all explained in the notes to the post with the links above. In short, no it isnt - all "hot burglary" means is that a person was on premises when the offence occured, whether or not they were disturbed is another matter.

Agricola:
What does being disturbed have to do with distinguishing a "hot burglary" from a "home invasion"?

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language defines a "Home Invasion" as a "Burglary of a dwelling while the residents are at home". That sounds an awful lot like a "hot burglary" to me.

Kharn

I'll re-read it. Didn't the Home Office say that 10% of all burglaries ended in a violent encounter?

Kharn,

One means "home invasion" in the legal sense - an armed robbery on the home.

So a 'home invasion' is a 'hot burglary', but a 'hot burglary' is not always a 'home invasion'?

Kharn

kharn,

exactly.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Burgulars are criminals. If they break into your home, it should be legal to shoot them. Let's stop all the legal mumbo-jumbo and subjective arguments and treat it as good vs evil. Someone defending their home=good. Someone breaking into the house=evil. You should be able to defend your life AND your property.

That's some pretty impressive semantic masturbation.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Burgulars are criminals. If they break into your home, it should be legal to shoot them. Let's stop all the legal mumbo-jumbo and subjective arguments and treat it as good vs evil. Someone defending their home=good. Someone breaking into the house=evil. You should be able to defend your life AND your property.

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You my friend, are a threat to burglars. I'm informing the authorities immediately.

Why thank you! (except for that part about informing the authorities.)

Wasn't that your common law duty to be a danger to burglars?

Thus as an example of the non-existance of self-defence it is invalid, because I don't think anywhere would let you get away with defending yourself with a weapon that it is illegal to possess.

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Just across the channel, here in Germany, you would not be charged for the possession of an illegal weapon IF you used it to defend yourself. Of course, you would not be allowed to keep it.

Britain = nazism now does it?

rrader you need to distinguish facts from your ''socialism, always a toilet'' mentality.

Britain = nazism now does it?

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First of all, you should use "is", not does.

And frankly, based sheerly on that aspect of policy, Germany is currently far more progressive than the UK.

Actually, rrader, the correct wrong is not "socialist". It is "statist". Remembery, quite a few right-wing politicos contributed to the UK's present unhappy state.

st johns,

actually, if you stay here that long, you'll find that you have a hard time getting rrader to accept any facts at all aside from those he creates himself. Its just a pity the rest of us mortals, especially those of us who are in the embarassing position of actually living in the country that he knows so much better than us.

micro,

I disagree with you, but its nice to see someone else correct him.

Its just a pity the rest of us mortals, especially those of us who are in the embarassing position of actually living in the country that he knows so much better than us.

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Yes, It is quite an embarrasing experance to live in a country that is but a mere Shadow of what it once was and stood for....