Victory! Sugarmann/VPC FFL not renewed

rkh · Mar 4, 2008

My thanks to everyone who took the time to contact IRS/BATF/lawmakers regarding Sugarmann's fraudulent FFL.

EZ FFL check is now listing his license as expired.

In a month or so I'll pull BATF's master FFL list to confirm that he hasn't simply acquired a new number, but in the meantime, it appears we have prevailed.

Huzzah!

Kharn · Mar 4, 2008

He never did call me back about helping with a shotgun transfer...

Kharn

rkh · Mar 4, 2008

You should call him back. Tell him that you'd still be interested in executing the transfer but you need a copy of his BATF Letter of Continuing Authorization.

:evil:

ZeSpectre · Mar 4, 2008

>small happy dance<

tinygnat219 · Mar 4, 2008

I have a Federal FOI request in on this matter of how he got it in the first place.

I will post when I receive it. For now though, I have to figure out where to get a gun in DC.

lee n. field · Mar 4, 2008

So, now the records get turned over to the ATF.

FOIA request? Might be interesting to see what they've been doing with it.

LAR-15 · Mar 4, 2008

Good!

Telperion · Mar 4, 2008

lee n. field said:
FOIA request? Might be interesting to see what they've been doing with it.

I should hope not. Unless you think anybody should be able to request the records of any FFL and publish every person's gun purchases. 4473s may not fall under FOIA anyway.

$5 if the VPC tried such a stunt this entire board would be crying bloody murder.

rkh · Mar 4, 2008

I *think* the FOIA was worded so as to request audit results (records subject to public inspection that contain no identifying information), and not the form 4473s, which are not kept by the BATF unless the FFL surrenders them when going out of business.

Kharn · Mar 4, 2008

rkh:
FFLs are required to turn the 4473s over to the ATF when they do not renew their license or otherwise go out of business.

Kharn

rkh · Mar 4, 2008

FFLs are not required to surrender their 4473s. They can turn them over, or agree to hold them for the requisite statutory period (20 years?).

If I have time tomorrow to research the topic, I'll write on why surrendered 4473s are not subject to public inspection.

Also, I think this is an appropriate time to point out that I am listed as an "Exmember" because one of THRs mods took offense at... my discussion of a FOIA request. Oh, the irony.

Gator · Mar 4, 2008

FFLs are not required to surrender their 4473s.

(C7) What records am I required to forward to ATF upon discontinuance of my business?[Back]

The records consist of the licensee's bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), ATF Forms 3310.11 (Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report), records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons, records of importation (ATF Forms 6 and 6A), and law enforcement certification letters. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized record-keeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete printout of the entire A/D records.

[27 CFR 478.127]

tmajors · Mar 4, 2008

Hooray! That rocks.

stevelyn · Mar 4, 2008

Great so they pulled the FFL.

The more important question is are they going to pursue any criminal charges? Or is the waffen BATFEces going to excuse their useful idiot's conduct?

tmajors · Mar 4, 2008

Just checked today. New FFL issued under the same number expires 3/1/2011.

outerlimit · Mar 4, 2008

Great news!

ffxmike · Mar 4, 2008

tmajors said:
Just checked today. New FFL issued under the same number expires 3/1/2011.

I won't lie, I checked hoping you were wrong. Sadly, you were correct.

License Number: 1-54-XXX-XX-XX-00725

Expiration Date: 03/01/2011

ctdonath · Mar 4, 2008

Yippi...oh, nuts.

benEzra · Mar 4, 2008

So, who does he sell guns to?

Coronach · Mar 4, 2008

Also, I think this is an appropriate time to point out that I am listed as an "Exmember" because one of THRs mods took offense at... my discussion of a FOIA request. Oh, the irony.

No, you were listed as an ex member because you requested to be listed as such. I see that you're back now, so I'll make the change.

Mike

rkh · Mar 4, 2008

Cronarch:

I returned to enlist help of this site's membership with the Sugarmann FFL business. I posted similar messages on other gun boards. Now that it is concluded, I'm done. In retrospect, perhaps I should not have posted here at all.

I respectfully request that you either return me to ex-member status or apologize for the hamfistedness of the moderator responsible for locking my thread on the 6.8 FOIA request.

Coronach · Mar 4, 2008

You can return yourself to ex-member status by ceasing to post, if you wish.

Mike

RickMeister · Dec 19, 2009

Sugarmann FFL

Does anyone know how to access this on line? I recognize that this is a bit old, but I would like to find a way to verify the Sugarmann FFL and its cancellation by ATF. Very best to all.

RP88 · Dec 19, 2009

So, who does he sell guns to?

I bet that they only buy them for themselves to be used for anti-gun work-related purposes, or something to that effect. Or maybe they have it as a legal fallback for gun buy-up and similar 'safe neighborhood' activities.

jim357 · Dec 19, 2009

Can anyone direct me to the start of this discussion? It looks interesting to me but I have no idea what is going on. Tried Search with no luck. Thanks, Jim

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