USPSA shooters-Keep an eye on your score sheet

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I shot a special classifier at South Kent Sportsman Club(Mi.)this past Sat. I was recording my times and hits so I could figure the % when I got home.

On one of the stages, there were two static targets and two poppers. I had 2 A's, 2 C's and 2 steels. Time was 6:04. I'm a C shooter and for me, this is a decent score. It would help my average. Imagine my surprise when I get on USPSA's site yesterday to see final standings and notice that I had a zero on the stage. They had me as 2 A's, 2 steels and 2 Mikes.:cuss::fire:

I drove for 3 hours for this!!!!!

The club was using this opportunity to train scorekeepers who had never did it before. At least in my squad, they were.

I'm so PO'd. I wanted to just let it go. I slept on it before posting this.

I had two incidents last year. In one, on a 16 target stage, the scorer only recorded the score for 15 targets. On the other one, the scorer didn't note the time.

I know it's my responsibility to check the score sheet but didn't think it was necessary on level I matches.

Anyone else having a problem or is it my bad luck?

:Rant off.:eek:
 
The results from a recent IDPA match here credited one guy with a 4 second time on a staget that took most in his division and class about 24. I still figure the staff at shooting matches is well worth their pay.

I suggest you volunteer to score and see if you can improve the standard of accuracy.
 
Training a score keeper? Normally all that is required is to be able to write things down so they are readable. First time I did it, I was handed the clipboard and was told good luck.
 
It happens more often than you think, if it's yours check it. Even at sanctioned matches where you initial and have a carbon you need to add them up yourself as someone is enterning 12+- stages of scores for 100+ people and humans can make mistakes.
 
Just curious; at all the Bullseye matches I attend, they post the scores before we leave, so we can check for errors.

Do they not do that at USPSA matches? Or just this one place where 71Commander competed?
 
I shoot USPSA four weekends a month, in and around Portland, Oregon. At the end of every stage we sign our score cards, indicating that we agree with the scoring. If there is a dispute, it is resolved at that time. I believe if you check the USPSA rule book, that is covered.
 
It's been that way from the beginning, it'll most likely be that way til the end. If people are involved, mistakes can be made. I've seen more mistakes in the shooter's favor than the other way.
 
Absolutely, check your own scores against what the scorer writes down before you sign it; at matches up here, the Safety Officer trades off with the Scorer, and when you have a gaggle of other shooters gossiping about how "Ooh, I had an Alpha-Mike on that target", and "If he'd made two Alphas on this target, he would've won the stage", things can get pretty confusing. Up here, scorers are also suposed to help check foot faults and the like, since the RO is (or should be) concentrating on the pistol and the shooter's trigger finger.
 
I know, I was coming in second and third but now, I get a load of points taken of for something.:confused:

I had the one guy tell me I was shooting wrong. I have shot the same way for 6 years now it has all ways worked for me. I think he was mad because I would beat him most of the time.:neener:
 
It's always a good policy to read what is on the sheet before initialing.

In all honesty, I've always avoided being the primary scorer for anything more than a casual match. Can't begin to tell you how stressed I get when scoring for people like Jerry Miculek and Vic Pickett. They are really nice, layback people, but I don't want to be the one to mess up their day.
 
Even if everything makes it to the stat shack correctly errors can still be made that’s why IDPA has the one hour protest period so corrections can be made. There are not many matches that I’ve been to that at least one problem has been addressed. I have had to tell more than a few SO’s to make a 0 that looked more like a 6 look like a 0, it is for that reason I use a dash instead.
 
When I RO after calling the hits on a target I want to hear the scorekeeper repeat what I said.

If not I stop and make sure the sk has the correct number of targets recorded before continuing.
 
When I RO after calling the hits on a target I want to hear the scorekeeper repeat what I said.
If not I stop and make sure the sk has the correct number of targets recorded before continuing.
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I do the same thing. No way of knowing if the score was noted in correct column though. That's why I'm gonna check my score from now on. After the third time this has happened...............:barf:
 
71 Commander said:
Never posted at level I matches.
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Not posted at *your* local matches. A few clubs around here score at the range and email them out when they get home.

Please remember it is your responsibility to check your scores. Wrong column or not.

You would be amazed how many shooters initial scoresheets that dont even have a time noted...

I do stats for 3 clubs and its a thankless job.
 
Actually, USPSA has the one hour protest period also. Wealso post scores afterwards and let people inspect them. If you leave without checking the scores afterwards, there is nothing I can do about it. If I were you I'd simply have emailed the scorekeeper at the club in question and tell them that they screwed up. I've made mistakes on people's score before that was brought up to me. I've had to go back and take a look at sheets and found my error. There is only 1 "tab" between scoring and missed targets. In many cases it's usually a clerical mistake. Lately we've been having up to 65 shooters at our club matches. Multiply that by 5 stages and boy does the paperwork pile up. What I hate is when people scribble their names and USPSA #'s and then expect me to decode what the heck they scribbled and for me to get it right the first time. Um.. is that a 9 or an 8? Is that Smithers or Smithes.. you get the idea. :)
 
I understand that stats has a thankless job. I/we appreciate the work you do. Some matches have a single sheet that goes with you from stage to stage. Some matches have a sheet for each stage that go in the range box when you're finished. Some matches you dont find out your scores until they are posted on the USPSA website.
 
Contact the match coordinator or the section cheif or whatever its called. The guys that shoot around here are a pretty close group so if there was a dispute it would be dealt with promptly, but I dunno how it is elsewhere.
 
I know this thread is a month old but having kept score (and made my share of mistakes) and RO'ing and getting the scores out, sometimes I wish I had some help. :(

As for the new folks learning to keep score, the suggestions about having them call back the scores is a good one. Also, when a newbie is learning to score, have someone follow him/her around for a couple of stages to make sure that they get it right. And most of all, tell them not to be shy about asking for help on something they haven't seen. No Penalty mikes, no shoots, procedurals of all kinds sometimes won't get written down because they don't know where to put them. If the RO notices a hesitation, he needs to stop and check.

At our local matches, I take the scoresheets home and tabulate them. I email the scores out that evening or early the next morning. I always hated not getting scores for a week or more after the match.

Ours being a volunteer organization, I want to take the time to say thanks to all who contribute.

I'll crawl back into my hole again, for now.:)


dj
 
In out section...they email or post to USPSA..but if you see a problem..they allow for us to email them and they correct the error and repost..no big deal.


heck..we had on one shooter end up with like 5 or six NS..that he did not shoot..corrected days later..
 
Like other have said, contact the Match director and ask then to change the scores. You should get what you shot, which works both ways, if you didn't get scored for a mike that you shot, you should have that changed also.

My first HOA, the scores came out with the wrong classifer entered. I shot it twice, first one for the match which was a good as the second time just for a better classifier score, I emailed the MD and asked him to change the score. I knew it might cost me the win, but I knew my dishonestly might cost someone else their win. Ended up keeping the HOA and getting the reputation as an honest shooter.
 
It's a game administered by volunteers.

A game.....

(Yes, I appreciate we want our performance applauded, but it is still just a game. And volunteers....)


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