Pro Gun Libertarian?

Would You Vote For A Pro-Gun Libertarian

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 65.4%
  • No

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Total voters
    26
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In a few weeks, the Libertarian Party will elect their nominee for President and, whoever they nominate, that person is sure to be the most pro-gun candidate on the ballot. So who might it be?

One of the better known candidates is Bob Barr, who is probably the best known among the candidates, although he carries a fair amount of baggage, as suggested in the following:

Bob Barr Is All That Stands Between Us And Darkest Night
Posted May 6, 2008 | 05:21 AM (EST)

I hope Bob Barr gets the Libertarian Party presidential nomination this month. I hope he steals the right-wing wacko vote from under John McCain's nose. I hope he clears the way for a Democratic victory in November, and an end to the war.

But then, I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to hope. I keep buying shirts at Old Navy, even though they shrink into weird shapes and the buttons crumble like aspirin. Why? Hope.

And I'm also a realist. We can't pin our national hopes on Bob Barr. He probably can't even close the deal with the Libertarians.

Why not? Are you saying a party built on fear of government can't embrace a candidate who's spent his public life in a prosecutor's office, Congress and the CIA?

You'd think that would be a problem, but no. Sometimes a Party has to bend. Look at the Republicans. They're settling for John McCain, even though he's not a racist.

Is it a hypocrisy thing? Because Bob Barr wrote the Defense of Marriage Act and he's been married three times?
Don't think of it as serial adultery. Think of it as defending marriage on multiple fronts.

Is it because he was a House manager of the Clinton impeachment, but he lied under oath about adultery during one of his own divorces?
It's not fair to say he lied. He used tortured legalisms to avoid telling the truth. And he didn't commit his immoral disgusting sex acts in the Oval Office of the People's House, either. He did them somewhere honorable, like a Days Inn.

I know -- it's about him being pro-life, but Larry Flynt turning up that canceled check for the abortion.
Libertarians aren't interested in the politics of personal destruction. And checking is a necessary evil. For now.
Then why can't he be the Libertarian nominee?

Because he's not a real libertarian. He's too vain to act that stupid. He'd like to -- because he's a bad person -- but he can't. You can tell, when you hear him trying to talk Libertarian on the campaign trail. He can't internalize the contradictions. The voices are in his head, but his heart isn't in it.
Give me a for instance.

Last month, Barr was speaking to the College Republicans at the College of New Jersey...
Sounds like a blast.
Can I talk?
Sorry.

He was explaining the Second Amendment to them, and how it meant the Framers wanted the maximum number of concealed weapons on college campuses at all times.
And the lowest number of women and black people.
Zero, I think. But that wasn't the only way America achieved maximum perfection in 1791. The perfect thing Bob wanted to talk about was the right to bear arms. It's absolute.

You can't regulate guns at all? Grenade launchers? Armor-piercing bullets? Chain guns? The atomic cannon?

If you're a Libertarian, every regulation is a slippery slope to Tyranny Town. Barr said:

"If we allow ourselves to be drawn into arguing just about guns and ammunition, it's very easy to lose that argument."
Because it's crazy.

That's what makes it a Libertarian position. If the government starts telling citizens they can't shoot each other with sawed-off shotguns, pretty soon it'll be telling them they can't shoot each other at all.
But you need a license to drive a car. If we can't restrict guns, at least we can license them, right?

Nope. According to The College of New Jersey student newspaper:
"Barr argued that while one needs a license to drive a car, there is no inherent (Constitutional) right to own a car."
Maybe because in 1791 there weren't any cars.
I didn't come here to defend Original Intent.
But that's not Original Intent. That's just nuts.
Oh, you're going to be sooo unhappy with the Roberts Court.
Okay, my head hurts. But I still don't see how any of this proves Bob Barr isn't a real libertarian.

Think about it. Bob Barr said we can regulate cars because they aren't in the Constitution, but we can't regulate guns, because they are. And if we start regulating guns in schools, the British will come back, in disguise as the kids at Virginia Tech, and Seung-Hui Cho will have to kill them one at a time, by hand, instead of all at once. Also, the upside -- freedom -- is more important than the downside -- dead children in piles.

I get it. But what did he say wrong? How isn't that a libertarian position?

Because he admitted the state can license cars.

So anyway, would you vote for a pro-gun Libertarian?
 
There are no true libertarians who are anti 2nd Amendment.

"Pro-Gun Libertarian" is redundant.

I don't trust Bob Barr either. He's not Ron Paul. Barr has been a shill for anti-libertarian causes for many years. His pro-life (no choice for women) anti-gay (no choice for sexual freedom), his Bible-banging hypocrisies, his corporate welfare choices while in Congress, etc.

Don't confuse libertarian philosophy with Bob Barr. Barr is the worst kind of politician, a scoundrel and a scalawag.

I have more respect for a die-hard communist, a white-robed Klansman and a Muslim terrorist. You know where you stand with those nut jobs. At least they're not the hypocrite that Bob Barr is. Bob Barr is part of the problem, certainly not a libertarian solution.

Steve
 
I hope Bob Barr gets the Libertarian Party presidential nomination this month. I hope he steals the right-wing wacko vote from under John McCain's nose. I hope he clears the way for a Democratic victory in November, and an end to the war.

This is why I don't vote Libertarian any more, I'm no longer a member of the Libertarian Party, and I'm registered Republican now.

I don't much care for a number of McCain's stances on some pretty significant issues. But neither Democrat is worthy of shining his shoes. And that's the real choice.

The chances of exerting a libertarian influence on a real candidate are 1000 times greater in one of the two parties that have won every major election for a century and a half.

Furthermore, I support ending wars in one way, and one way only. That's the other disagreement I have with the [strike]neo-Chomskyite[/strike] Libertarian Party, as it currently exists. I'm sure not alone.

Finally, Bill Clinton was elected for one reason: a populist third-party spoiler. Madeline Albright, Janet Reno, et al. were Clinton's appointees.

I'd love to "teach the GOP a lesson", but not that way.
 
Going to have to second Steve in saying that I have never heard of a Libertarian who wasn't pro-gun. Along with goofy hats and ill-advised facial hair :)D), guns are classically Libertarian. Insofar as Libertarians are single-issue politicians, that's usually the issue...

Then again, I despair for the likelihood of a libertarian candidate's success, largely due to the public perception of the Libertarian Party as the party of angry middle-aged men in league with the Tinfoil Hat Brigade.

While I certainly think of myself as a small-L libertarian, I don't generally identify with the Libertarian Party, usually due to the people I have met who identify themselves that way.
 
I think I'd vote for just about any pro-life small-L libertarian. If they happen to also be a big-L Libertarian, I suppose I don't care...
 
In general, it always comes down to some basic issues for me. If the guy is with me, I'll be inclined to vote for him.

However, no candidate walks lockstep with their party platform whether you call them a true-[insert philosophy here] or not. When it comes to the big decisions and everyday decisions of the office, you have to decide how they will run things.
 
It's hard to imagine Libertarians as a single issue party, unless you view the Bill of Rights as a single issue.

Libertarians oppose big government.

Libertarians view government as more likely the cause of problems rather than a solution.

Bob
 
After what happened when Ross Perot ran I will not vote third party again. Yes I was guilty then of aiding Clinton getting elected by not voting Republican. John McCain is not my first choice either, but he's better than Obama or Clinton and has a chance of being elected. Of course there will be those who will disagree and that's fine. Just take a really close look at the upcoming general election, vote logically, not emotionally and wish for the best.
 
After what happened when Ross Perot ran I will not vote third party again. Yes I was guilty then of aiding Clinton getting elected by not voting Republican. John McCain is not my first choice either, but he's better than Obama or Clinton and has a chance of being elected. Of course there will be those who will disagree and that's fine. Just take a really close look at the upcoming general election, vote logically, not emotionally and wish for the best.

Good comments. OTOH, voting for candidate A or B, just because that's what the two major parties throw at you, leaves little incentive for either major party to offer anything better than the same old c#$%.:banghead::)
 
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