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you gotta get through the small fires before you can get to the source. If just going straight to the source was possible, then we wouldnt be so worried about the next election. We would be anti-gunner free already.
 
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Sure can! There's a news room where a man in a black robe sits on a bench and listens to people talk. Go ahead and wait for that news confrence like I've been saying all along.
 
RP88 wrote:
you gotta get through the small fires before you can get to the source
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RP88, If your house was burning down, would you try to smother the fire on the ornamental grasses in your yard that were burning, first? Keep in mind that the ornamental grasses are not in and of themselves going to spark new blazes of your house.

A finger stuck in a decrepit, decaying dike will not save people from being drowned. Only a new dike will.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Abrink, according to some, this thread is not about preventing unnecessary deaths in the future. It's ultimately about seeing if the law was broken or not. If the law was broken, any means to enforce it are de facto justified.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Not exactly unbiased but an updated opinion. Reading the link to the two warrants is very interesting. It appears police found TWO 380 cases plus one projectile, as well as the 223 case.

Beware of Prosecutors Bearing Gifts

One of the unexpected items in the Ryan Frederick preliminary hearing was the dropping of the charge for possession of marijuana. The first reaction to that news might be relief that at least that is one thing Frederick doesn’t have to worry about. But since that was the one charge that appeared to be a slam dunk conviction, dropping it seems to be irrational, and prosecutors seldom do things without a reason.

So, what is different about that charge and the more serious murder and firearms charges? Well, for a start, the possession charge rests entirely on the results of the search warrant, while the others are supported by testimony from the police.

What if there is a serious problem with the warrant? Is it possible that the possession charge was dropped in order to keep those problems from the eyes of the jury when considering the more serious charges? And what if the problems with the warrant reflect on the other testimony from the police?

The last thing any citizen would want to believe is that a police officer would use deception to obtain a warrant, but there are some serious credibility problems here. Let’s look at the original affidavit used to obtain the search warrant. You can view it at http://tinyurl.com/4ld4bf

The affidavit requesting the warrant maintains that the confidential informant had a long history of providing reliable evidence to the officer requesting the warrant and that the officer had participated in controlled buys with the informant. But other events have called the reliability and history of this informant into question, and he is now believed to be a fugitive. What if it turns out that the reliability of the informant and depth of the investigation were exaggerated in the course of persuading the magistrate to issue the warrant? Might that not get the original warrant challenged and further call into question the credibility of the officer who obtained the warrant?

Well, the warrant was obtained by none other than Det. Kiley Roberts, the prime witness against Frederick in the murder charge. If the warrant were made relevant to the testimony by prosecuting the possession charge, the doubts about the warrant could cast doubt on all of his testimony under cross examination.

I would not accuse Det. Roberts of consciously lying to convict an innocent man, but a fellow police officer and friend died as a result of this mishandled investigation and raid, and it is only human, when things go so horribly wrong, to see things in a light that shifts responsibility to others. It is this human ability to refuse to see what we cannot bear, rather than malice toward Frederick, that I believe is driving this prosecution, which to those of us who see it from a distance, seems so irrational.

The Chesapeake Police Department must be more open with the public and accept its responsibilities in this tragedy if they are to win back the trust of the public which has been lost due to this disaster and the ensuing obfuscation. Trust does not come from never making a mistake, but from how we acknowledge and correct mistakes when they occur.

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Frederick Case goes to Grand Jury
May 27, 2008

As promised, I went to the Chesapeake General District Court to attend the preliminary hearing for Ryan Frederick. Along with Rick Caldwell, starting at 9 AM, I sat in Courtroom A, as directed by the posted docket for the court. We waited through many minor cases but when the scheduled 10 AM passed, I went back to the posted docket to check for a change. Seeing none, I returned to Courtroom A and waited till the end of business, with no reference to Ryan Frederick. Only as I left did I learn the case had been heard in the Appeals Court Courtroom. No announcement had been made, nor was the posted docket updated at any time. So much for public notice of public hearings.

So, I must rely on the mainstream media’s (who were notified of the change) reports to comment on today’s proceedings. Read the rest of this entry »

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could you give us a link to your source? when someone starts out qualifying like that then doesn't source it i get suspicious
 
Trying to fill in some of the holes in the reporting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956090/posts

Stacy Davis Reporting
Police Informant in Fatal Pot Raid Revealed

Police Informant in Fatal Pot Raid Revealed

One informant's word.

That's all it took to convince police to raid a home in Chesapeake...a drug raid that would end in the shooting death of 34-year-old Detective Jarrod Shivers.

Now the gunman himself, 28-year-old Ryan Frederick, has revealed the identity of that informant. And NewsChannel Three has learned that informant is now a wanted man...on the run from the law.

In January, that informant told police that Frederick was growing pot at his house. That he saw a scale, packaging items, grow lights and marijuana plants. On January 17th, police broke through the front door of Frederick's Portlock home executing a search warrant for those drugs based on that tip. Frederick opened fire, saying he did not know it was police bursting through his door. He said he thought it was an intruder breaking in because he recently had had someone stealing from his home. In the end, Shivers would die and police would find only a small misdemeanor stash of pot inside. Frederick now sits behind bars charged with first degree murder.

So who is the informant who set off this tragic chain of events? Who is the informant who led police to raid the home of a soda-delivery man with nothing more than a speeding ticket on his record? According to the affidavit for the search warrant that informant is the only source for the raid. There were no corroborating confidential informants. There was no surveillance. There were no undercover dope buys. So who was the sole source for police?

NewsChannel Three has learned he's a 20-year-old with a troubled employment record, who's character has been questioned by multiple sources, and who has a criminal record.

NewsChannel Three has his full name and even has a mug shot, but we are only identifying him by his first name, Steven, because police tell us they are certainly not going to confirm a police informant's name to a reporter.

But in letters to his family, Ryan Frederick identifies Steven as the "confidential informant." Frederick knew him. Steven was dating the sister of Frederick's fiance. Family members tell NewsChannel Three that Frederick accused Steven of stealing something from Frederick's home. Steven got mad and threatened to come back to Frederick's house.

According to multiple sources, Steven worked at Bullies, a Chesapeake restaurant and bar. The owner tells NewsChannel Three that Steven was fired...not once, but twice. The second time came after he had threatened to burn the owner. In fact, according to court records, the owner charged Steven with trespassing and had to take him to court to get him to stop coming in the bar.

According to court records, Steven also has a criminal history. He was arrested on January 15th for grand larceny for stealing a woman's credit cards in Chesapeake. He was also charged with credit card fraud for trying to use those credit cards. Two days after that arrest, police would make the raid on Frederick's home. Did Steven tell police about a possible drug stash in Frederick's home in exchange for dropping his charges? We don't know. But, a few months later, that grand larceny charge WAS dismissed. Those credit card charges WERE nolle prosequi or set aside. That was April.

Now Newschannel Three has learned that those charges have recently resurfaced, in the form of direct indictments. Steven was supposed to be in court last week to face those charges. He was a no show. Now a judge has issued a capias for Steven's arrest. He's listed as a fugitive five times over in Chesapeake court records.

We went to the address listed in those court documents. It's his parents' condo. Steven's father told us he had no idea where Steven is. He said he didn't think Steven would want to talk to a reporter about his knowledge of Ryan Frederick and closed the door on us.

Ryan Frederick's preliminary hearing on first degree murder is less than two weeks away.
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Well, the above two posts Seem to shed some light.

Jan 14, 2008 someone breaks into Fredericks home

Jan 15, 2008 cops arrest an acquaintance of Fredericks for G.Larceny

Jan 15,2008 cops apply for warrant, review phone records, employment records, and some how over the next two days "stake out" the home "at least" four times

Jan 17, 2008 Det. Shivers dies trying to serve a warrant

Some time after then the "reliable" "Confidential Informant" disappears.

This is starting to really smell like a bait shop.
 
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm.

Where's MoM? He surely knew this already... He's got sources close to the investigation. :neener:

My suspicion is that the only reason the Police are so tight-lipped on this is because they screwed up completely even authorizing a raid on this guy's house to begin with. If they were right they would have already leaked all kinds of juicy information on how big a scum bag this guy is. The deafening silence from the government tells me that they know this is their fault and are trying to deflect the blame to this guy- that's SOP for any government agency.
 
Is it possible that they dropped charges on the pot because the CI disappeared, you know the old face your accusers in court thing?
 
Greetings fromTidewater Liberty

I noted the incoming link to my blog, so I came for a visit here. I saw a number of items that I can clear up for you as I have followed the case closely. First, am I biased, hell yes. Here's why http://tinyurl.com/5q7tfz

I invite you to visit TidewaterLiberty.com and read the Ryan Frederick category from the beginning.

MOM - If the police have facts they are withholding till trial that will vindicate them, that is as stupid as the raid. This is a community that 6 months ago you would not have found anyone who did not hero worship our police, but today would believe a crack whore's word over the police. They will not regain the public trust in our lifetimes, no matter what comes out at trial, minds are made up, attitudes changed. You can't fix that with a gotcha at trial, that just aggravates people more.

Ryan Fredericks account of what happened has been consistent since day one, the police story changes weekly. What Frederick has said was that he was awakened (he goes to work at 4 AM, so is in bed by 8 each night) by his two large dogs barking, followed by the crash of his door being broken. He armed himself (If you lived in Portlock, you would have a gun by the bedside too.) and went to his living room. There he saw the bottom of his door broken out and an arm reaching up for his doorknob. He fired two shots at the person trying to get in, then his pistol jammed and he retreated to his bedroom to try to clear it. At that point, more police arrived with sirens and realizing then that it was the police he immediately surrendered. He is very remorseful. He admits to casual pot use, but not growing or selling. He does not own any other firearm except the .380 ACP. The police deny any of their officers fired a shot but have offered no explanation for the .223 casing.

Not pot was found in the attached garage, only three partial joints in the house.

The timeline in the affidavit for the warrant alleges the investigation began in November, but according to WTKR, the first contact between the informant and the police was only days before the raid. I do not know which is true.

It is almost a freak accident that Shivers was hit in the small vulnerable area he presented to the door. If the police account is true regarding where he was standing, it does make some sense. The shots were fired at the person reaching for the door knob and would have gone through the door about thigh high, but Shivers was standing in the yard about two steps down from the porch, putting his shoulder about even with the area Frederick fired at.

In my opinion, a person is justified in firing at someone attempting to break down their door as malicious intent should be assumed when a door is breached unless you know for sure it is the police. Under the circumstances Frederick was presented with, it is entirely reasonable to assume he would not have heard the 12 to 15 second announcement over the dogs unless it wa amplified with a bullhorn or re-enforced by sounding sirens.

I live here and I no longer rest easy in my bed, not out of fear of criminals, but out of fear that the police might place me in a no win situation in their zeal to dominate the populace.

I miss thinking of the police as the good guys.
 
Here's my question.

Why even a raid? Why not just nab him when he goes to work/school/friend's house? Hell, call him and tell him he won a prize at the local gas station, and nab him as he leaves the house to get to his car.

In my opinion, raids are only necessary during hostage/kidnapping/violent crime in progress type deals.
 
So, what have we learned?

Pot isn't worth it. There are plenty of legal ways to escape reality and find la-la land. Alcohol might rot your brain and liver but it isn't usually accompanied by no-knock warrants. (Though I have to wonder, did this informant sic the police on Frederick intentionally? Unless Fred was just getting out of the drug business, the informant lied. A few doobies does not a pot plantation make.)

When your suspected drug dealer appears to be a normal person with a regular job and regular foot traffic through his house, you might want to reconsider that no-knock warrant. Someone might get killed.
 
Greetings Don Tabor I live in the next city over and share some of your viewpoints and you sure picked a vere opinionated thread to jump in.
The police deny any of their officers fired a shot but have offered no explanation for the .223 casing
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does any one know where it was found? I was mowing my lawn and found a 44 mag case once and I have never owned a 44. who knows could have come from some one else before the incident.
In my opinion, a person is justified in firing at someone attempting to break down their door as malicious intent should be assumed when a door is breached unless you know for sure it is the police
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I agree with your opinion however there is still a legality issue in Va for shooting through a door.
I live here and I no longer rest easy in my bed, not out of fear of criminals, but out of fear that the police might place me in a no win situation in their zeal to dominate the populace.
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what are you doing to make yourself the target of an investigation? I am willing to bet nothing. So therefore you should continue to live with out worry. I will have to check your site tomorrow as it is blocked for some reason here at work.
 
what are you doing to make yourself the target of an investigation? I am willing to bet nothing.
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ErikF, do warrants ever get served to the wrong address or person?
So therefore you should continue to live with out worry.
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Because warrants are always delivered to the right address and right person
I will have to check your site tomorrow as it is blocked for some reason here at work.
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go figure, read the blog.
 
ErikF, do warrants ever get served to the wrong address or person?
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Erik F is a diffrent person who posts on THR also, I am Eric F
Sure they do but I dont have time to worry about that in my life. I am doing nothing illegal therefore I do not live in fear of the law coming to break my door down. I will even be nice enough to say I hope they do not try the front door as it is blocked and we dont use it. My point is if you are doing nothing wron you should not live in fear of the police. Sure warents get served to the wrong address, but how frequently? Since I do not see it on the news on a daily basis I can only suggest that it is not an epidemic. Worry is such a waisted emotion it causes a loss of sleep and I cant afford to loose any more sleep.
 
"what are you doing to make yourself the target of an investigation? I am willing to bet nothing. So therefore you should continue to live with out worry. I will have to check your site tomorrow as it is blocked for some reason here at work."

Since writing about this incident on the Tidewater Liberty Blog and being interviewed on the matter on WTKR, wy wife and I have been followed on at least one occasion, and possibly others, by unmarked Chesapeake police cars (white Crown Vic, spotlight, police bumper, blue license plate, no other markings) when going out for dinner and to Home Depot. Not just on the highway, but into the parking lot where he parked and waited while we went inside.

That is a bit intimidating, but I have my attorney on speed dial on my cell.
 
Since writing about this incident on the Tidewater Liberty Blog and being interviewed on the matter on WTKR, wy wife and I have been followed on at least one occasion, and possibly others, by unmarked Chesapeake police cars (white Crown Vic, spotlight, police bumper, blue license plate, no other markings) when going out for dinner and to Home Depot. Not just on the highway, but into the parking lot where he parked and waited while we went inside.
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Maybe a coincidence? how are you sure it was a chesapeake detective?

and right wrong or indiffrent
being interviewed on the matter on WTKR,
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could have made you a target. For the record I have absolutly no problem with speaking out against(pick some one). You have a Right to do so.(it also means not every one has to agree with you, added for the benifit of others) I am not sure I would worry about it though. I have been tailed for long distances before for no reason that I am aware of, you just need to keep going about your business.

I look forward to seeing your site later today while I am off duty(fire department) I am certian it will shed more light on this subject. BTW what posessed you into building a site?
 
Since writing about this incident on the Tidewater Liberty Blog and being interviewed on the matter on WTKR, wy wife and I have been followed on at least one occasion, and possibly others, by unmarked Chesapeake police cars (white Crown Vic, spotlight, police bumper, blue license plate, no other markings) when going out for dinner and to Home Depot. Not just on the highway, but into the parking lot where he parked and waited while we went inside.

That is a bit intimidating, but I have my attorney on speed dial on my cell.
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Awwww, how cute. Don clearly thinks so highly of himself that he believes there's a conspriracy against him. As if anyone really cares that this "crusader" spoke out against a system on a blog no one reads.

Ever consider that maybe your driving just sucks?
 
Awwww, how cute. Don clearly thinks so highly of himself that he believes there's a conspriracy against him. As if anyone really cares, that this "crusader" spoke out against systen on a blog no one reads.
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Yeah, and cops weren't following that kid in Missouri who got the cop fired who threatened him on video...

Ever consider that maybe your driving just sucks?
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And maybe Kathryn Johnston really WAS selling drugs...
 
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