Concealed Weapon At Work

What's worth more to you, your life or your job?

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This is a false dichotomy.

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"gun free zones" have never been shown to increase shootings.

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I can not disagree with your shooting statements as I do not have evidence to the contrary but shootings are by no means the only or even the worst crime. "Gun Free Zones" are breeding centers for crime and crimes of violence. You are much more likely to be a victim or witness to a crime in a Gun Free Zone than in areas that citizens are allowed to defend themselves

I would and have. I would much raather be fired then dead thats just me though.

dont care what the policy is, have carried every day and no one knows

Anyone who has a CCW and is not in an area where armed security with metal detectors make sure that anyone else has no guns, should be able to carry.
Otherwise you make yourself only a target!

Don't play that excuses game. I despise people doing that. The management sets all the policies of their company, not the insurance company. While they may not be able to afford a policy that covers CHL holders, it doesn't mean they don't have that option. There is a big difference between being mandated, which implies they have no choice, and having a choice but being unable to go that route. A fine point but one that should not be overlooked when your life is balanced v/ your job

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Often time they have no choice, for example I have recently looked into make a drastic change to my biz. If I were to make that change I would have to get another comp carrier as mine will not cover me for that. Every single comp carrier I looked into has the no weapons cluase in thier policy. So if I desided to make that change I would have no choice.

Or would you prefer that I break the law and not have comp or expose myself to losing every thing I own by letting people carry?

the employer created a policy, that, only applies to the people I work with but NOT guests, customers, suppliers or the employees of the other companies that lease space in the same facility. How dumb is that!

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Uh...so you'd feel better if they DID post a couple of big "SELF-DEFENSE FREE ZONE" signs up, so that everyone would KNOW you can't carry there???

I have found the ultimate solution to this problem.....I have a job where I carry a handgun and a rifle. Everyone else has to pass through multiple detectors!!

Travis

Since I work for the Federal Government (Army to be exact) I would not only loose my livelihood, but go to prison as well. I know there are those who would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6, and at times I am one of them, but in the case of employment that is not the case. I also work in a facility where everyone has a security clearance, not that it matters, but it is some relief to know the average employee has at least passed a police background check.

Uh...so you'd feel better if they DID post a couple of big "SELF-DEFENSE FREE ZONE" signs up, so that everyone would KNOW you can't carry there???

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Ever notice how many gun people seem to be big and tough with their guns, but become defenseless bowls of jello without them?

If you feel defenseless without a firearm, then you have numerous serious shortcomings in your personal security.

Being without a gun should never be interpreted as being defenseless.

Ok, there Chuck Norris. With your user name, do you also think you're some sort of sooper dooper secret agent, too? Puh-leeze...

I've had jobs where "weapons" were prohibited, not by law, just company policy. Those times I'd rely on hand-to-hand and a folding knife. Other times a Kel-Tec P32 was my best friend in bad parts of town. I had an "office" job for awhile and found it very hard to pack much more than my Benchmade AFCK. I have no problem going unarmed and am very comfortable defending myself hands-on. I agree with Double Naught, alot of people seem to feel they are totally defenseless without a sidearm. Weapons are just a part of the total package when it comes to self-defense.

There are a lot of factors, but really it's a call for everyone to make for his or her self, a very real life game of risk vs reward, or in this case, consequences. I don't advocate one way or the other, really. I think it would great to work for a company that allowed carry, but such positions are few and far between.

Another aspect of this issue is CC on a college campus. Do you think the shootings would have lasted as long as they did and as many people injured/killed if there was another student sitting in that classroom who was a skilled shooter and not just some pissed off kid with a couple pistols? I know that if it was me in that class, I would have ducked down behind a table and returned fire. Don't you know the perp would have been surprised! This may be a bit morbid, but I say take him out before he can do more damage...he's probably just going to kill himself afterwards anyway. I don't want to take the chance of getting hit by his "spray and pray" because 75 students are trying to run out 2 doors at the back of the room. Or even worse, trapped because the perp is at the only exit!

I have a don't ask, don't tell policy.

Would you rather be dead or without a job? Would you rather be dead or in jail for a week or 2?

Carry. Keep it deeply concealed. Smartcarry comes to my mind. Use something small like a j-frame or baby glock.

Also know your rights. If for any reason a cop wants to search you while at work (what are the odds) tell him that you will not consent to a search of your person and he has no reason to suspect you of committing any crime. If your company decides to fire you for this, you may want to consider contacting a lawyer for a wrongful termination suit. There's no reason you should be fired for exercising your constitutional rights.

Check this out. It shows you how to deal with police wanting to search your person: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJWFAWqzSds

Would you rather be dead or without a job? Would you rather be dead or in jail for a week or 2?

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Um, carrying against work policy will NOT land you in jail unless you work on a military base or something. At MOST, you'll be fired and that's it.

I think that if you feel helpless without a gun on your hip, you need to workout and train harder in running away, awareness, and unarmed fight-ending, then remember that the odds of a workplace shooting are much lower than the already-low odds that you'll get mugged walking at night in a bad neighborhood.

Jorg said:

XDKingslayer said:

What's worth more to you, your life or your job?

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This is a false dichotomy.

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Huh? Made perfect sense to me.

357wheelgunner said:

I think that if you feel helpless without a gun on your hip, you need to workout and train harder in running away, awareness, and unarmed fight-ending, then remember that the odds of a workplace shooting are much lower than the already-low odds that you'll get mugged walking at night in a bad neighborhood.

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Everything you say is true -- but why not have one more very effective last resort?
--Pat (a fellow .357 wheelgunner)

Everything you say is true -- but why not have one more very effective last resort?
--Pat (a fellow .357 wheelgunner)

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Great point.

People just have to weight how much having a job means to them. In my industry there aren't many jobs to be had right now, I won't risk losing mine if I can help it.

Also know your rights. If for any reason a cop wants to search you while at work (what are the odds) tell him that you will not consent to a search of your person and he has no reason to suspect you of committing any crime. If your company decides to fire you for this, you may want to consider contacting a lawyer for a wrongful termination suit. There's no reason you should be fired for exercising your constitutional rights.

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It's your Constitutional right to not have to go through an unjustified/warrantless search by an LEO, but (at least in an "at will" state) not one to not get fired for refusing to consent to the COMPANY searching you....

Then again, I don't know how much help it would be that I know of no company policy that requires I consent to a search of my PERSON...

Ever notice how many gun people seem to be big and tough with their guns, but become defenseless bowls of jello without them?

If you feel defenseless without a firearm, then you have numerous serious shortcomings in your personal security.

Being without a gun should never be interpreted as being defenseless.

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I never said I *was* defenseless (though I'd much rather have a highly effective means of deadly force to DEFEND against any deadly force coming my way )...

But let's say Joe Robber comes up to two stores in a strip mall (that sell the same items). One has the "gunbuster" sign on the front door, the other does not...

If YOU were Joe Robber, which store would YOU prefer to hit?

(Assuming that Joe Robber has two brain cells to rub together - not quite a certainty...)

But let's say Joe Robber comes up to two stores in a strip mall (that sell the same items). One has the "gunbuster" sign on the front door, the other does not...

If YOU were Joe Robber, which store would YOU prefer to hit?

(Assuming that Joe Robber has two brain cells to rub together - not quite a certainty...)

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chances are very good, like most people in the US, they will not even see the signs.

Let me pose a question/situation to everyone. If your place of business had recently had an incident with an armed individual and you were a CCH holder, would you carry your weapon at work? Take under consideration the business has a policy in place of no weapons at the workplace.

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This is a much more complicated issue than it would seem at first blush. Different states have different definitions of where a person properly licensed may carry. In some states, carrying while at work is permissible regardless of the employers policies, while in others it is not. If it were permitted, then the most your employer could accuse you of would be trespassing, and then only if you refuse to leave when asked. Naturally you would in most cases lose your job and be escorted off the property, but you would still be armed and not stand accused of any crime.

So would I carry at my place of employment despite such a policy? If it were permitted by law, yes. My employer and I both make choices about how we conduct our affairs and each is entitled to those choices. Should my employer wish to terminate our agreement of mutual benefit (some of my work in exchange for some of their money) over a difference of opinion on the form of that conduct, then that's the way it is.

!!!!! Stupidity disclaimer !!!!!!
I am not now, nor have I ever been a lawyer or any other type of legal representative. I have no experience or training in legal matters. Nothing I have said in the above post should be construed to be legal or any other type of advice.

I hate these stupidity disclaimers, I really do, and I apologize to everyone for its presence.

I carry at work every day, technically it might be against policy but I don't think I'd be terminated for it. I use a SmartCarry holster and nobody is the wiser.