Florida sheriff tees off anti-war couple

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Whether it is tshirts or bumper stickers ie (keep honking I'm reloading and the like), it seem like people wear them for shock value, or to broadcast their own ideas (like anyone else cares).
I personally believe these types of messages seriously degrade the value of our cause.
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It's just a support the troops tee shirt. As for people getting offended by it, there is no constitutional right not to be offended. :barf:
 
I agree 100% with the first reply to this thread.

As for t-shirts helping, hindering, reinforcing, or whatever... I have never had my opinion swayed by a t-shirt (or a bumper sticker). I don't expect a pro-2a shirt to convert an anti any more than an anti-2a shirt would convert an Arfcommer or THR member.
 
Robert, are you referring to the general idea of a T shirt that shows a weapon pointed or specifically to the T shirt you mentioned?

I always thought the Vote From the Rooftops T shirts were a little in your face and tend to reinforce the stereotype the media likes to hang on us as either overweight, uneducated rural hicks or KKK, Aryan Nations type extremists.

I don't think they help us in the culture war. Think of the outrage people in the gun culture felt when the "Always Think Forfeiture" leatherman tools became public knowledge. It did nothing but reinforce the negative image the gun culture has of the BATFE. I think T shirts and bumper stickers like that have the same effect on the other side. And just like the gun culture uses the leatherman tool to try to convince fence sitters that they are right about the BATFE, the other side uses those T shirts and bumper stickers the same way.

Just something to think about.....

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Jeff, you're tracking properly. The reason why this incident caught my eye was the video and its demonstration to me that both the sheriff and the anti-war couplet were badly skewed.

As I tried to explain, though, it wasn't the specific message, the war, or its politics that might be worth considering by us. It's the communication and the medium and how they can blow up badly. (I'm not getting clearer, I fear, but I'm trying hard and I'll be grateful for any help I can get.)

You're very close to what I'm trying to explore, perhaps mostly for myself. Darned if I can explain it without getting either too abstract to be meaningful or too proscriptive to be useful.

Part of it is decorum. What, if any, is the proper place for T-shirts like this? Maybe that's the entry point. Or maybe I should have thought more before posting. War politics was not the issue for me in this instance.
 
There use to be a time when not EVERYTHING had some deep political/religious/sociological meaning to it. Some things were just meant to be funny, sometimes it was just to make a buck, and some things were just plain stupid. Now people are trying to figure out what "message" is being sent by Sesame Street and Bugs Bunny cartoons. People are just looking for things to be insulted by.

I've never been insulted by a T-shirt or bumper sticker, nor anyone wearing/displaying one. No T-shirt or bumper sticker ever made me think "those (fill in the blank with some group) really are (fill in the blank with some characteristic)". I may have thought the wearer was an idiot, but never associated them to a larger group.

I'm more inclined to think the designed of the T-shirt you described was trying to get a "support the troops" message across more than any pro/anti war idealology, and I think its a huge leap to find a 2A message in the shirt. I bet if you asked a dozen people what the shirt was "really" saying you'd get a dozen different answers.

And from a different view point, I don't represent anyone else but myself, and don't want anyone to think otherwise. If someone takes something I've done and thinks it reflects what ALL (whatever group you want to put me with) think or do, I don't have much respect for that person's intelligence. But I won't let the possibility of that happening prevent me from saying/doing/wearing what I want



the value of our cause
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I bet if you start a thread trying to define what "our cause" is, you'd start a bigger disagreement than all the calibers wars we've had put together. If we eliminated any threads/replies that something thought hurt "our cause" this forum would be mighty quiet.
 
What I'm wondering, is why did they buy a raffle ticket if they found the prize offensive? Did they *want* to be offended?
 
yesterday in San Francisco

A cute gal with a petition I was ogling approached me and asked "do you want to help save the environment"?
I told her "I'm against the environment":evil:
 
I told her "I'm against the environment"

As Ron White said when he was asked what he was doing to save the environment' "I'm eating the cows!". :D
 
Some of the particularly outrageous comments in this thread tend to prompt a rather strongly worded response.
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With the most outrageous one coming from a poster who extolled the virtues of the Chinese citizenry, government, and PLA for squashing the murderous Tibetan rebellion in another thread. :rolleyes:

Welcome to The High Road where all political posts are banned or removed, unless they come from the section of outer space Ron Paul is currently inhabiting. ;)
 
These wars root much further back than some random attack on 9/11/2001. It began in 1948 when we first armed and funded Israel to crusade through the region and take by force what they were "entitled" to. Since then we have given them billions of dollars and countless arsenals to create new enemies with. And now, we are giving them the lives of our soldiers. Well, I am calling BS. There is no amount of policing we can do to make the Arabs/Muslims forgive and accept the Jews for 60 years of invasions and bloodshed.
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Why is it not OK on THR to say anything critical of Islam but anti-semetic and anti-Israel propaganda is a-ok?


BTW, there are so many falsehoods and distortions in that one paragraph that it isn't otherwise worthy of response.
 
Why is it not OK on THR to say anything critical of Islam but anti-semetic and anti-Israel propaganda is a-ok?
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"Anti-semitic" is a nice catch-all buzz word that is used to kill dialogue. Its like a black calling someone a racist. And the word itself is meaningless as arabic is also a semitic language.

-T
 
Why is it not OK on THR to say anything critical of Islam but anti-semetic and anti-Israel propaganda is a-ok?
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Actually, this thread got very political in the beginning, and I have to admit, I take responsibility for how it turned out, too. I never even noticed that Israel part unil you brought it up in quotes. I thought it was just the pro/anti war stuff.

Can't recall anything critical being said about Islam here. Islam itself is not a threat to world safety, Islamic extremists using Islam as an excuse for their terroristic activities is a threat to world safety. And that is a very small percentage.

And, is it me, or is this thread beginning to slip off the road again?
 
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