Are you sick of accessory rails?

i like em, and i think they are a great addition. does every gun need one no but they are great for weapon mounted lights and i happen to use one and am very comfortable with one.

i don't pretend like i am swat i am much cooller than a swat cop, and alot more highspeed than that!

I have 2 pistols with rails, both full size, duty-ish guns (hd, etc..) my glock 35 and cz sp-01
Rails should only be put on guns that lets say a cop would carry
anything smaller than a glock 19 shouldnt have one, waste of space, and just retarded.
The pps for example, you can fit one brand of light on it, its that crappy little one with batteries stolen from a womens watch, aka it lasts 20 mins. Pointless imo

Heres my little rule when shopping, if it fits in a pocket, it doesnt need a rail.

Kahr and the subcompact glocks* got it down (*excludes 29-30 as they are bigger)

I think the jist of the thread was that accessory rails make a nice looking gun ugly. I agree with that. I am also scratching my head about someone being offended about sure things opinion enough to accuse a man sarcastically or not of beating his wife. I have two pistols with rails, and it did not piss me off that someone strongly dislikes them.

"Have you stopped beating your wife lately?"......originally came from Groucho Marx. It was a question to which a yes or no would imply you beat your wife or had beat your wife.

Most will see the analogy.....for those that don't get it, give it a day or two to soak in.

The concept of a universal mount that transcends all manufacturers has been long overdue. A practical application we can thank the Military for. Unfortunately it's not the most aesthetically pleasing design and has been tastelessly overdone in some cases. This photo best illustrates the absurd extremes it can be taken to.

....originally came from Groucho Marx.

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Ahhh...thanks. I thought it was from a comedian.

Perhaps I should have learned from John McCain....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/27/mccain-makes-awkard-wife_n_109576.html?page=5

In an interview with the Las Vegas Sun, columnist Jon Ralston asked McCain why he didn't choose Gov. Jim Gibbons (in the middle of a messy divorce) to chair his Nevada campaign:

McCain: I appreciate his support. As you know, the lieutenant governor is our chairman.

Q: Why snub the governor?

McCain: I didn't mean to snub him. I've known the lieutenant governor for 15 years and we've been good friends....I didn't intend to snub him. There are other states where the governor is not the chairman.

Q: Maybe it's the governor's approval rating and you are running from him like you are from the president?

McCain: (Chuckling) And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago . . .

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I agree that rails can be and are quite useful for mounting lights and lasers on tactical weapons, but I don't want anything to let the BG know where I am. I also believe that rails detract from the appearance of an otherwise beautiful gun. With Glocks it really doesn't matter because they're "UUUUGGGGLLLLYYYY" anyway. But with guns such as 1911's, Sig's, CZ's and Witness', 4900,5900,6900 S&W's, and pocket pistols, as well as other pistols and revolvers that I did not mention for the sake of time, rail are a plague and are not needed on home defence or hunting handguns. By the way, this is my opinion and not necessarily the opinion of this board or it's other members.

Dislike rails, but really surprised to see as many agree here. Maybe the loaded poll question actually had an effect (answering it acknowledges the accusation L.O.L.)!

I remember in the early 90s, in a lot of movies, there were Berettas and 1911s with barrels sticking 1" out past the muzzle. I don't see those anymore. Compensators too.

I think when most shooters realize they don't want to spend $ for quality accessories, practice in low/no light conditions with a rail light, or replace all their holsters with models that can accomodate accessories, rails will fade out of fashion.

They make a gun balance too forward for my likings. That, and the only "good" stuff to use with them is too expensive, bulky, and for the most part, not worth the hassle; I'll use the money I don't spend on the crap for rails on ammo & shooting time.

Something ridiculous

You guys have it all wrong, you have to look at it for the tacticool way.

This is the real reason that they put rails on handguns;



...so that you can fix bayonets!

Theres no way that you could be more special forces than if you have a laser, light, AND a blade on your gun.

Time Marches On

First the cavalry started shootin' them newfangled black powder revolving pistols. Then they went and made those revolvers to shoot rimfire cased ammunition. Next, they stuck the primer in the middle of the case for more reliable ignition. Then the military went and adopted that semi-auto 1911 thing. After that things stayed the same for about 70 years until they went to that Euro-weenie 9mm cartridge in that Beretta pistol with its fat magazine that holds 15 cartridges. Next thing you know they started stickin' these sights on the guns with tritium capsules so you could see 'em at night. Then all the police started carryin' those new fangled fat magazine semi-autos, but they were made outta plastic! Now they wanna stick rails on the pistols so they can hang a light off it and make sure of their target at night! What's the world coming to?

I'll just be over here holdin' down the fort with my old match lock. Y'all can have all them new fangled toys.

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What I'm mainly sick of is people whining about market direction. Some folks whine about proliferation of calibers, others moan and groan about rails, others complain about X or Y type/brand of gun. Does it really bother you that much what is on somebody else's gun? You might try deep breaths or learning to live and let live.

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Actually I have absolutely no problem at all with someone who prefers rails, and I have no problem with the major manufacturers making pistols with rails.


I just hope the industry remembers some of us don't prefer rails and other features, and maintains some diversity for us all.

That's all.

Don't own a handgun with an accessory rail and will not own one.

Ford's will remove yours for $50 and refinishing.

I'm wondering if they qualify as full-length dust covers and as such, are disqualified from IDPA competition. Of course there is an exemption for plastic guns in minor calibers in IDPA.

I carry a SureFire flashlight in my mag pouch (custom made) and have never felt a need for more. I've shot a lot of critters holding the flashlight in the left hand, including a skunk (right up the ass about five yards in front of me with his tail raised to spray), and never missed the mark or had any sort of issue.

I really, really do not want added bulk to any of my firearms unless it is truly useful. I do have one AK that has so many gadgets it really isn't practical for anything.

My night shotgun has a SureFire in a scope mount with a pressure switch on the foregrip. It hits where the center of the beam hits.

My question is: What are you going to mount on a rail that isn't more trouble than it is worth?

Leaving a flashlight or even the mount on the gun just makes it bulkier and harder to handle. A laser won't hold true.

The big disadvantage I see is that it gives the BG a POA, shoot the light you get a head shot.

They just aren't a real good idea on handguns. Handguns are primary response, emergency reaction weapons. They should be used to buy you time to get to an appropriate weapon.

I want a quad rail on my shotgun!

Kinda biased in the original question, but the existence of or lack of an accessory rail does not enter into me buying or not buying a particular handgun. If it has one, that's fine. If not, that's OK, too.

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Mike

Disaster,

It is called Humor...you should try it some time.

What do you mean by "when did you stop beating your wife?"

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See, and I thought he was implying that setting up a biased poll reflects certain unhealthy personal insecurities (technical bigotry) about equipment diversity.

LOL

Wasn't there another thread about this just a week or so ago?

I hate the doggone things and will often look for an older gun from when before the firearms industry jumped on that bandwagon. If it's the only way that gun comes I'll look past it, but a rail on a 1911 is just plain wrong. And for crying out loud, why would I want a light on a gun made to be concealed?

Now they wanna stick rails on the pistols so they can hang a light off it and make sure of their target at night! What's the world coming to?

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A light rail on a pistol especially one for CCW is just plain DUMB. Aren't pistols supposed to be relatively compact so one can easily carry it? Light rails are a step backwards in pistol design.

I'm wondering if they qualify as full-length dust covers and as such, are disqualified from IDPA competition. Of course there is an exemption for plastic guns in minor calibers in IDPA.

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Guns that come with light rails straight from the factory may be
used in IDPA competition AS LONG AS the gun still meets all
division criteria.

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However the rule book says Steal fullength dust covers are not legal. Aparently if they are poly ot some sort of alloy then you are fine.

As far as tac rails on pistols..........well do you use them or not?
If you buy a gun and use them then your "Tacticool"
if you buy a gun and have no reason to use them then your a "Tactifool"

A light rail on a pistol especially one for CCW is just plain DUMB. Aren't pistols supposed to be relatively compact so one can easily carry it? Light rails are a step backwards in pistol design.

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Aren't they supposed to be compact? Not necessarily. Compact pistols may be easier to carry concealed, but if compactness was a deciding factor, then double stack guns would be pretty dumb as well. So would full size guns.

I took a low light course and I tried it with and with out a mounted light. And I found the mounted light was way easier.
I also shot a 3gun match at night and I decided that a mounted light is the only way to go. Nice to have a hand held light available though.
CCW is a different story though.

For the 3gun match, the mounted light kept everything very simple.

They don't bother me. You all can make your handguns as ugly as you want. I just avoid them.

With that myopic a set of poll options, I'll pass.

I cant really say i am sick of them , but then i dont own a single firearm with a tac rail . If someone wants them fine , if not fine . I just dont have any reason to get a firearm with them be it rifle or pistol .

I have a rail on my duty gun, a Sig P229R .40 cal and yes I do like it. But that being said none of my personal guns have one, except for my "EBR".