Why You Should Take An Immigrant Shooting: Ten Reasons

I took a buddy of mine who was born here, but is arab in bloodline, and spent most of his growing up years in the middle east, shooting a while back(wow, how's THAT for a run on sentance!). After getting some Hollywood induced BS out of his brain, he did REAL well. Now we go every chance we get, and he is always askinf me when we can go again. TAKE SOMEBODY NEW TO THE RANGE EVERY CHANCE YOU GET!!!!! It makes antis cry, and that alone is worth it!!

Hospitality

You guys are bringing tears to my eyes , tears of happiness , I tried to bring similar subjects up on another forum and all I got was a bunch of racist , rude , redneck comments even a couple of death threats .
So thank you again , all of you for making me and the other new Americans welcome .

Happy to have you, waverace.

Well said. But even our Bill of Rights was ultimately created by the super-majority process outlined in the Constitution. And the Constitution itself was ratified by a majority in each state. (Or was it just by a majority of a state convention? I don't recall.) And the Second Amendment could likewise by totally repealed, if enough Americans were convinced to so amend our Constitution.

Yeah, democracy ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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It was designed to not be tampered with, people just ignore that and do what ever they want, look at DC.

Last Oct. a girl from Sweden was here visiting and wanted to shoot a gun. She, my son, a family friend and I made an afternoon of it. .22 pistol, 9mm, 45ACP, 45LC, AKM, M16 (full auto). Back in the boonies on my son's property. She had a blast. We took video and digitals of her blazing away. She said the folks back home were, without exception, very envious. She is now my daughter-in-law and a pretty decent shot. Her relatives are wanting to visit and make some gunsmoke. I hope they can. Also, I should mention, any time I take a buzz gun out for a workout I always call the SO and tell them who I am and where I will be in case someone calls in that some maniac is firing a MG back in the pine thicket they will know it is me. The SO appreciates it and there has never been a flicker of a problem.

My grandfather came alone to this country as a young boy. He came by himself because his father could not afford to come as well. He was six years old. Although Scot, he was raised by a German woman. He was taught to shoot and hunt by her husband. He became a U.S. citizen, was wounded in France in WWI and when he returned from the Great War, he slowly became a land owner. He purchased land that had been stripped of timber to give himself a place to hunt. He was not allowed to hunt elsewhere, because he was raised by a German woman, and because he was not an "American" in some people's eyes. When he died at the age of 94, he still held animosity towards those who condemned a young Scot who was raised by a German woman, even though he had honorably served his new country, was wounded, and only wanted to return to what he called home and live in peace. He never forgot it. Neither have I.

Intolerance takes many forms. People still legally immigrate to the US. They want to become citizens. They want to assimilate and adopt American values as well as introduce their own values to our society. By and large, they are good and honorable people. Once they become citizens, they will be good, honorable people with the ability to vote. The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the US Constitution, but it has been and is presently under attack by those who would like to abolish gun ownership among citizens.

The only way that we can preserve our rights is to pass on the values we hold dear to as many young people and new people in our country as possible. They will form an opinion on gun ownership. They will vote for gun owners, against gun owners, or simply not care one way or the other. I figure it's best to try to introduce them to gun ownership, and show them why they should care.

Justin made a very good point. I'll reiterate it.

The subject of this thread is a very worthy one, and as advocates for the right to keep and bear arms, we should be reaching out to people who are curious about the subject and willing to learn more, including legal immigrants.

Quite frankly, H088, you're utterly out of line on this, and frankly I'm a bit taken aback that you would have such a negative view of RKBA advocacy to immigrants, especially on a forum who's head honcho is not only one of the strongest individual proponents of RKBA going, but also an immigrant himself.

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a lot of potential pro gun advocates

While I was doing some research to help our cause here in WA I found out that in 2006 (the latest figures I can find so far ) there were 250,000 LEGAL permanent residents here in WA alone , now not all of them would be interested in shooting but if just 1 in 10 had some interest , that would be 25,000 people in one state alone that were on the side of shooters rights .
This was in 2006 , so there are probably more than that now .
Food for thought .

My company buys a lot of equipment from European and Eastern countries and we have had dozens of visitors from WAY anti-gun places such as Holland, Great Britain, Japan, Denmark, and India; many of which were on their first visit to the US. I derive a lot of pleasure from enlightening these folks about the freedoms that we enjoy in this country and I have only had one person who would not, eventually, go shooting with me. He was Japanese and he was afraid that he would be detained in his country and they would find gunpowder residue on his hands (he didn't think that he was allowed to use a gun while in America.)

The thing that struck me the most about all of these people was their difficulty in comprehending the idea that we allow our government to regulate certain things; as opposed to our government allowing us certain freedoms, as in their countries; and this is why we had the RKBA. Once I get past this it is easy to explain the Conservative nature of our society (even in liberals, though they won't admit) and the reasons that we still have (most of) The Bill-of-Rights, and reject "Big Brother" and the Metric System.

Correct in some ways, there are certain conditions for visiting, i.e non-immigrant aliens, for which they can use firearms, mostly "sporting" purposes etcetera.

250,000 legal immigrants in WA State eh?

Have you contacted those people yet waverace? ;P

Madison_ultralight, I believe you've encountered what I refer to as the "right/permission reversal". In Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries, it is the individual who lives by permission and the state that operates by right, not the other way around.

Turning this around in someone who's never known anything else can be likened to the "unplugging" from The Matrix. Some scamper back to the womb of Big Government in an infantile revolt against reality. Others feel a sudden sense of enlightenment as they go "aha!", as if their mind has suddenly become unwrapped from its constricting entombment.

A fellow worker from the Ukraine approached me about hunting awhile back. Right now I'm trying to get him and his son set up with a Hunter Safety class. We'll probably do a range trip or two later this summer.

He's a very fascinating individual to talk to- he has stories of living 50 km from Chernobel when it went up, dealing with Soviet bureaucracy, and being in the Soviet army along with interesting perspectives on politics. He also seems to have a better grounding and belief in American Ideals than many Americans.

Who , When , Why , What ?

Hey MD first I'm still not sure just "WHO" to write to , secondly I should have become a doctor cuz my handwriting is worse than my 5 year olds so what I will probably do is write something out on the computer this weekend then run it past everyone here to make sure that it is suitable .
This might take me a little while to get it right as there are several points that I need to get across while seeming calm and responsible , also I believe that there is potentialy more at stake here than just our case , if it isnt 100% right then it could either be ignored or could do us more harm than good .

Sorry hoppy didnt want to hijack your thread I'll get back to our side now.

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Turning this around in someone who's never known anything else can be likened to the "unplugging" from The Matrix. Some scamper back to the womb of Big Government in an infantile revolt against reality. Others feel a sudden sense of enlightenment as they go "aha!", as if their mind has suddenly become unwrapped from its constricting entombment.

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Well said. But even our Bill of Rights was ultimately created by the super-majority process outlined in the Constitution. And the Constitution itself was ratified by a majority in each state. (Or was it just by a majority of a state convention? I don't recall.) And the Second Amendment could likewise by totally repealed, if enough Americans were convinced to so amend our Constitution.

Yeah, democracy ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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It was designed to not be tampered with, people just ignore that and do what ever they want, look at DC.

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That is exactly why we should and MUST care what others think of the RKBA. The founders well knew that words on paper were not enough to safeguard our liberty.

Calling everyone illegal immigrants means nothing. Immigrations laws have only been on the books for a hundred years or so. I believe Chinese immigration laws were the first. Many people came here LEGALLY.

Back the the purpose of the thread, non-immigrants here legally can shoot but can not purchase or carry firearms. Don't gift them one either. I think the idea of taking any visitor to shoot is an excellent idea and a great way to show off our freedoms.

Bring them to Florida. We will go out back in the woods and shoot all they want.

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Very good. Nothing beats taking any person shooting for the first time. Nobody should be judged based on what country they are from.

My wife's fillipino friends, and their spouses all love to come " out to the country" and shoot my weapons. They all live in Illinois, so all these guns are just like a big amusement park to them. They are even starting to bring their own ammo! LOL

Prove to me you are not an illiegal alien, and I will treat you just like any other potential friend.