markk
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Nobody said or even implied that.
However, on a board called "THE HIGH ROAD", there is a lot to be said about how you express that opinion.
What's up with the elitist attitude?
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Nobody said or even implied that.
However, on a board called "THE HIGH ROAD", there is a lot to be said about how you express that opinion.
Alright. Thank you, that's one example with 30 responses and 4, maybe 5 posters saying they didn't think the 19 year old should have a gun.
Does 5 people in that thread constitute a prevailing attitude in that thread, let alone within THR?
Thank you. This one has one guy saying the UFC doesn't matter and another saying we should not be overly concerned about the opinions of celebrities. Nineteen responses in that thread and two people saying they don't care about the UFC, which you have deemed elitist.
Two posters, nineteen responses. Please note the question I posed about the previous example.
Thernlund
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You guys are wasting bandwidth. I'd rather be contributing to the "I'm so tactical" thread.
You ever notice how Robert De Niro closes his eyes when he shoots?
Hey... I bought a new gun yesterday. Look for some photos coming soon.
When's lunch? I'm hungry.
-T.
You ever notice how Robert De Niro closes his eyes when he shoots?
Hey... I bought a new gun yesterday. Look for some photos coming soon.
When's lunch? I'm hungry.
-T.
I would beg to differ. You posted...
What you are saying is that the OP is entitled to his opinion that the age 21 rule to CCW is stupid. But that if anyone disagrees, and dares to hold an opinion that includes a restriction on ownership (real or imagined), they are elitest.
Whether you realize it or not, what you are saying is that folks disagreeing with the OP of the thread in question are not allowed to have an opinion because you deam it elitest. And you are going so far as to publically proclaim that it's a "problem" that is effecting THR, in effect, trying to quash the opinions of those with whom you disagree.
Ummm....what are you talking about? Sounds like you're making broad generalizations about everyone on this board based on a few comments by a few members. The fact is, the open carry threads in this forum has had many people arguing on both sides. I remember seeing that 18 year old kid posting and many were quite positive and congratulating him.
texas bulldog
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i see it in every single OC thread. alleged 2A supporters claim that "just anyone" shouldn't be able to walk around with a gun. they need classes, qualification, etc.
the implication often seems to be:
well, i'm qualified to handle a firearm safely, but those people over there, that's another story...
that's what i would attribute to elitism. i see it in CC threads too. despite the lack of any verifiable evidence that training provides a beneift or that OC makes you a target, folks continue to spout it. these are the arguments of the antis.
josh...i totally understand what you're saying.
the implication often seems to be:
well, i'm qualified to handle a firearm safely, but those people over there, that's another story...
that's what i would attribute to elitism. i see it in CC threads too. despite the lack of any verifiable evidence that training provides a beneift or that OC makes you a target, folks continue to spout it. these are the arguments of the antis.
josh...i totally understand what you're saying.
markk said:
uhhhhh
If I drank and didn't train, but got onto you for drinking and not training THAT would be elitist, having a different OPINION is another matter.
If you do not like the law, then LOBBY, that is what the rest of us have to do. You don't draw a lot of folks to your cause with drama queen antics and name calling.
Josh Aston
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Ltlabner said:
Everyone is allowed to have their opinion. The problem isn't people that disagree with my opinions. The problem is people that don't think I'm entitled to an opinion because it doesn't agree with theirs.
Thernlund
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-T.
Thernlund
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MakAttak said:
-T.
Yet you are the one posting that the opinions of the posters with whom you disagree are elitest because they don't jive with yours.
And frankly, I really don't remember ever reading "you aren't allowed to have that opinion" here at THR. Now, I don't read every thread, and I try to avoid the real heated ones, so maybe it happens and I miss it.
But mostly what I see/read are people with different view points discussing, and sometimes arguing, about them.
Thernlund
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-T.
ctdonath said:
I was not for the Heller case. I wasn't and wanted congress to change the law and supported the NRA in their stance... But being a reluctant soldier isn't a crime. Once the battle was joined and retreat wasn't possible, then I got behind it... Also, if O'Conner hadn't retired (which she hadn't at the time) then we would have lost that case, so let's not act like it was obvious. I am happy as heck we won, but I understand being reluctant to gamble it all. Sun Tzu says that War is serious business and shouldn't be entered into lightly, I don't have a problem with others of the same stripe on other issues.
Drinking and carrying isn't a good idea. I am a recovering Alcholic, so I am for not drinking at all, but that is merely me. If you want to drink, I am sure that the advice that you are getting is that it isn't SMART just in case the SHTF, the cops would be on you... Smart is good I thought.
markk
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Actually, that would be hypocritical not elitist...
CountGlockula
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It's called being in the possession of a powerful tool that will destroy, and that type of power influences our thinking also.
bogie
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Would you trust The Dude to open carry? After all, he's old enough.
Or Walter? Heck, the thought of Walter with a nerf gun scares me...
Or Walter? Heck, the thought of Walter with a nerf gun scares me...
Eleven Mike
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Yup. The OP has an elitist attitude toward those younger than his 18-year standard.
Thernlund
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-T.
I think the real issue that's not being adressed is the devide between those who feal all weapons should be available to anybody at any age with with zero restrition and those who feal *some* restrictions are prudent.
It seems that whenever (or at least in my experience) someone suggests the slightest restriction to ownership or use of a firearm, real or imagined, the cries of elitest go up.
Example:
Poster 1: "I fired my full auto AK into water at a flat angle and there was a camp 500 yards down range"
Poster 2: "Hey man, you might want to be carefull. Bullets can skip off of water".
Poster 1: " The 2A says SHAL NOT BE INFRINGED". It's elitest attitudes like this that lead to gun grabs".
It seems that whenever (or at least in my experience) someone suggests the slightest restriction to ownership or use of a firearm, real or imagined, the cries of elitest go up.
Example:
Poster 1: "I fired my full auto AK into water at a flat angle and there was a camp 500 yards down range"
Poster 2: "Hey man, you might want to be carefull. Bullets can skip off of water".
Poster 1: " The 2A says SHAL NOT BE INFRINGED". It's elitest attitudes like this that lead to gun grabs".
Thernlund
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-T.
markk said:
In this context, it is the same. Rosie hate's guns, Rosie's body guards are armed...
In any event, it isn't elitist to have an opinion. I happen to think that some kind of age restriction is a good thing. I don't know how it could possibly be lower than 18 or 21, considering the law and precedent and everything, but if you think you can change that in your area have at it.
Thernlund
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-T.
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markk
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Once again, I agree with both parts of this statement.
However, how someone choses to express that opinion can be elitist, and that is what the High Road can (IMO) do without...
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