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Carl Levitian
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Always, always stay in the car. Make the other guy come get you.
!. Being in your car will give you a position where he has to come at you through a confined area;the door. This gives you a better more confined area to defend.
2. If you have to hurt him badly to stop the attack, it's going to look a gazillion times better for you that he broke YOUR window and yanked open YOUR door, to enter YOUR car to get you! The fact that you had to ram that screwdriver through his throat, or smash his face with that large cresent wrench you used to change the oil last week, will be insignificant. Especially since he got injured while assaulting you in YOUR car. Stay calm enough to manage the situation to leave him zero defence of his actions. If he lives, he'll have maybe learned don't mess with strangers.
!. Being in your car will give you a position where he has to come at you through a confined area;the door. This gives you a better more confined area to defend.
2. If you have to hurt him badly to stop the attack, it's going to look a gazillion times better for you that he broke YOUR window and yanked open YOUR door, to enter YOUR car to get you! The fact that you had to ram that screwdriver through his throat, or smash his face with that large cresent wrench you used to change the oil last week, will be insignificant. Especially since he got injured while assaulting you in YOUR car. Stay calm enough to manage the situation to leave him zero defence of his actions. If he lives, he'll have maybe learned don't mess with strangers.
Absolutely *nothing* good can come of how you responded to that. Suppose she had been on the cell phone to home, and when you pulled up, you were greeted by a protective hubby with a shotgun. A little more rage on your part and there would probably be a justified self-defense shooting of a road-rage aggressor who followed the little old lady home. I sure wouldn't convict the hubby if I was on the jury.
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If I know I've inadvertently cut someone off, I'll give a little wave and hunch my shoulders to show I realize I've done so. Doesn't hurt and we both feel better. If that's not good enough for them, well, that's their problem. Let them rant and move on.
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bogie
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Are you a primate, or are you an -advanced- primate?
If the latter, avoid regressing.
Keep your cool, and disengage. You'll likely never see whoever it is again. So don't worry about them. Think about things you like, rather than that jerk in the other car.
Oh, and don't drive like a jerk. You get in fewer accidents that way too.
And if a situation escalates to the point where someone's attempting bodily harm on you, and the police come (and you are still securely in your vehicle, because, after all, you are an -advanced- primate...), it'll be fun to hear the first words that you'll have to the officer:
"Sir, before we go any further, I have a concealed weapons permit, and it's in the vehicle - now this guy was attempting to assault me, so I called you."
If the latter, avoid regressing.
Keep your cool, and disengage. You'll likely never see whoever it is again. So don't worry about them. Think about things you like, rather than that jerk in the other car.
Oh, and don't drive like a jerk. You get in fewer accidents that way too.
And if a situation escalates to the point where someone's attempting bodily harm on you, and the police come (and you are still securely in your vehicle, because, after all, you are an -advanced- primate...), it'll be fun to hear the first words that you'll have to the officer:
"Sir, before we go any further, I have a concealed weapons permit, and it's in the vehicle - now this guy was attempting to assault me, so I called you."
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For those who mention windows being rolled up equaling safety:
Are you out of your mind? A windshield provides some decent protection against hostile entry, but side windows are about as useful as a screen door. All it takes is someone who doesn't mind cutting up their hand a bit, or wrapping their hand in a long sleeve before they punch through the glass. The only thing a side window is useful for is showing the DA and jury that the guy was attempting to enter your car using violent means.
A guy that used to train at the same place I did got boxed in at a stop light wen two malcontents broke in his side windows to get at him and his girlfriend (road rage before they called it that). Attacker got a 7 inch knife wound to the torso. Cops questioned him and never pressed charges. Reason? Glass from the window and blood inside the car.
Are you out of your mind? A windshield provides some decent protection against hostile entry, but side windows are about as useful as a screen door. All it takes is someone who doesn't mind cutting up their hand a bit, or wrapping their hand in a long sleeve before they punch through the glass. The only thing a side window is useful for is showing the DA and jury that the guy was attempting to enter your car using violent means.
A guy that used to train at the same place I did got boxed in at a stop light wen two malcontents broke in his side windows to get at him and his girlfriend (road rage before they called it that). Attacker got a 7 inch knife wound to the torso. Cops questioned him and never pressed charges. Reason? Glass from the window and blood inside the car.
Even the most secure fortress is not perfectly impenetrable, does that mean we should thow our hands up in the air and sleep on the ground out front?
Side windows take a significant amount of force to break. Can it be done? Absolutely, with just a few blows. However, a weak barrier is better than no barrier. Besides if it is a single assailant, you just slide over, now he has to get in a very vunlerable position to attempt to get at you, again, advantage yours.
The fact that you were erecting even flimsey barriers to his attack is going to be hugely useful in court afterwards. 2 drivers get in a spat, drive A breaks driver B's side window to get at him? case closed, driver B is the instigator.
Never exit the vehicle, always keep the windows up and doors locked. If somebody breaks my window, I'm going to use whatever's at hand to stop the attack. Even the vehicle can be used if it comes to that, and with a Suburban, there's not much I cant push out of my way in an emergency.
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Thumper5
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You indicate that you are uncomfortable having your weapon with you in such a case. I think you are wrong.
I have been in two potentially life-threatening situations in my life. In both cases I was armed, though the scary guy never knew it. I found that the knowledge that I could likely control the situation if it came to that was comforting and gave me a sense of calm. In both cases I was able to leave the scene without violence.
If I am ever in your situation, I'll be glad to have my weapon with me, though likely not need. it.
I have been in two potentially life-threatening situations in my life. In both cases I was armed, though the scary guy never knew it. I found that the knowledge that I could likely control the situation if it came to that was comforting and gave me a sense of calm. In both cases I was able to leave the scene without violence.
If I am ever in your situation, I'll be glad to have my weapon with me, though likely not need. it.
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i was placing order in drive thru. i looked in my side mirror and saw BG charging my open window with a big box cutter. i had my seat belt on, window completely open. so i slammed on gas, locked doors, closed windows. windows took forever to close. i was waiting around the corner with my hand on my pistol in pocket holster. cashier in drive thru was knocking on my window for me to pay, not now. BG speed off in big SUV.
i was glad that i had my pistol.
i was glad that i had my pistol.
I mentioned this in another thread, but boxoftruth has an interesting breakdown of Car S&T.
Basically, 1) is use the car to escape and IF NECESSARY lay down cover fire (IE, if there is lead coming your way), 2) is use the car as a weapon if possible, and 3) is RETREAT FROM THE CAR...sitting in a still car while being shot at, you may as well already be sitting in a coffin.
The guys on that site found that cars don't reliably stop any serious rounds, shotgun and 9mm included.
Therefore I disagree with "always stay in the car" IF you are being shot at and cannot escape using the vehicle.
Basically, 1) is use the car to escape and IF NECESSARY lay down cover fire (IE, if there is lead coming your way), 2) is use the car as a weapon if possible, and 3) is RETREAT FROM THE CAR...sitting in a still car while being shot at, you may as well already be sitting in a coffin.
The guys on that site found that cars don't reliably stop any serious rounds, shotgun and 9mm included.
Therefore I disagree with "always stay in the car" IF you are being shot at and cannot escape using the vehicle.
bogie
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My car can sprint faster than I can, and can run over things like fences better than I can.
neviander
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My grandpa carried a length of 000 battery cable in all of his vehicles.
Question, if I simply informed said maniac that I had a gun in the car, could that be construed as any sort of 'brandishing'?
Question, if I simply informed said maniac that I had a gun in the car, could that be construed as any sort of 'brandishing'?
Apologies are cheap. "sorry, sir, I just did not see you etc".
They are not a panacea however, I have had guys go berserk anyway.
A lot of folk are carrying around a real mental problem, and a "road rage" incident is somehow 'socially acceptable" to them as a way to let their frustrations about life out. I feel sorry for them, really. It is very sad some people are so unhappy.
They are not a panacea however, I have had guys go berserk anyway.
A lot of folk are carrying around a real mental problem, and a "road rage" incident is somehow 'socially acceptable" to them as a way to let their frustrations about life out. I feel sorry for them, really. It is very sad some people are so unhappy.
Sir Aardvark
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I would have just ignored him and not made eye contact; if he wanted to escalate it from there then that's his choice.
In California, as a condition of my carry permit, I cannot in anyway incite a person into belligerence and then justifiably shoot him in "self-defense". Pretty much for me my defense must be, "I was a reluctant participant, I was trying to get away".
Not to bag on you too much, but what other reaction would you truthfully have expected from this jerk other that the one he gave?
My advice to you would be to learn a little "Verbal Judo", and use it to deescalate a situation before it gets to the point of violence - being a jerk in return (no matter how justified) will only make things worse.
I think that this is the most important thing that a person with a CCW can learn, is to leave your ego at home, and be comfortable with the simple fact that because you have a gun you pretty much have the last word in practically any argument you are going to get into anyways (that is, of course, if you didn't leave your weapon at home).
As for options:
Cell Phone
Pepper-spray or Tear Gas
Pocket Knife
CLUB steering wheel lock
Mag-lite
Baseball Bat
Pool Cue
Any other non-weapon "weapon" you can think of
And of course, always try to leave a way out when you're stopped at a light - leave space between the car in front of you; drive up on the sidewalk; etc.
In California, as a condition of my carry permit, I cannot in anyway incite a person into belligerence and then justifiably shoot him in "self-defense". Pretty much for me my defense must be, "I was a reluctant participant, I was trying to get away".
Not to bag on you too much, but what other reaction would you truthfully have expected from this jerk other that the one he gave?
My advice to you would be to learn a little "Verbal Judo", and use it to deescalate a situation before it gets to the point of violence - being a jerk in return (no matter how justified) will only make things worse.
I think that this is the most important thing that a person with a CCW can learn, is to leave your ego at home, and be comfortable with the simple fact that because you have a gun you pretty much have the last word in practically any argument you are going to get into anyways (that is, of course, if you didn't leave your weapon at home).
As for options:
Cell Phone
Pepper-spray or Tear Gas
Pocket Knife
CLUB steering wheel lock
Mag-lite
Baseball Bat
Pool Cue
Any other non-weapon "weapon" you can think of
And of course, always try to leave a way out when you're stopped at a light - leave space between the car in front of you; drive up on the sidewalk; etc.
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i have personally seen a person punch straight through the side window of a car it cut his arm and he delivered a solid blow to the occupant.I cant remember for sure but i dont think he had any rings on.
he was very angry to the extent of the guy you described.
i have personally seen a person punch straight through the side window of a car it cut his arm and he delivered a solid blow to the occupant.I cant remember for sure but i dont think he had any rings on.
he was very angry to the extent of the guy you described.BigBadJohn
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Does this happen often? Maybe it's your driving
Next time just give the oops shrug and if they still chase you down call 911
Undeserved as it may have been, a simple sorry goes a long ways.
People like this really need to get their clock cleaned in my opinion. But I'm rarely (read, never had too) the person to do it, a sorry just comes out easy for me, regardless of who's to blame for the incident.
My only encounter close to such in over a decade is as follows.
If they continue to pursue agressive behavior, I'll call the police and let them deal with it. I had a shopkeep go off the deep end on me one time and turn all red and curse at me with blatant disregard. He said he was going to call the cops on me and have me hauled off. My response was, go ahead, and when they get here and see me all calm while you're about to pop a gasket, who do you think they are going to see as a threat? The shopkeep's friend agreed with my statement and stated "just rebuild the bicycle rim man, this guy just wants his wheel fixed." I apologized to the shopkeep for the incident even though I had no blame in the escalation, but I did state, please check the next rim before you spend all that time buiding it again, this is the third build of this wheel.
jeepmor
People like this really need to get their clock cleaned in my opinion. But I'm rarely (read, never had too) the person to do it, a sorry just comes out easy for me, regardless of who's to blame for the incident.
My only encounter close to such in over a decade is as follows.
If they continue to pursue agressive behavior, I'll call the police and let them deal with it. I had a shopkeep go off the deep end on me one time and turn all red and curse at me with blatant disregard. He said he was going to call the cops on me and have me hauled off. My response was, go ahead, and when they get here and see me all calm while you're about to pop a gasket, who do you think they are going to see as a threat? The shopkeep's friend agreed with my statement and stated "just rebuild the bicycle rim man, this guy just wants his wheel fixed." I apologized to the shopkeep for the incident even though I had no blame in the escalation, but I did state, please check the next rim before you spend all that time buiding it again, this is the third build of this wheel.
jeepmor
evan price
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Blow him a kiss, tell him he's sexy, and ask for his phone number.
armedandsafe
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I was driving through downtown San Diego one evening with a friend. At a stop light, cars ahead, cars behind, cars to my right, cars approaching from in front left. An irrational man ran up to the passenger side and threatened my friend with harm if he didn't hand him some money. Friend grabbed the agressor''s hair, pulled him a little father into the window and rolled the window up on his throat. We then both laughed at said agressor as he tried to get the window down from the outside. Once he passed out and dropped his knife, we flagged a passing squad car and turned the situation over to them.
I don't recommend doing such, but it seemed a good idea at the time.
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Jayman
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Something else to consider, if the guy is unarmed and he does break your side glass, just retreat to the other side of the car. If he reaches in after you, get out something pointy/sharp and dissuade him from reaching into the vehicle. (Screwdriver or pocket knife.) Obviously this tactic isn't perfect either, and doesn't take into account an armed assailant, but if somebody wants to try and grab you, there are easy ways to make them think twice about it.
One of the earlier suggesions was splendid. A 3-5 cell maglight is a wonderful thing. I also like the huge bear spray pepper sprays. They can be very intimidating even unused. Think small fire extinguisher with a 30ft range and a fog effect spray pattern. Don't even get out of the car, just roll the window down and point. If he so much as opens his car door, fog [him].
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I was driving through downtown San Diego one evening with a friend. At a stop light, cars ahead, cars behind, cars to my right, cars approaching from in front left. An irrational man ran up to the passenger side and threatened my friend with harm if he didn't hand him some money. Friend grabbed the agressor''s hair, pulled him a little father into the window and rolled the window up on his throat. We then both laughed at said agressor as he tried to get the window down from the outside. Once he passed out and dropped his knife, we flagged a passing squad car and turned the situation over to them.
I don't recommend doing such, but it seemed a good idea at the time.
My little sister actually did this in Atlanta a few years back. Guy leaned in through the passenger window and tried to grab her purse at a light (yes, we've talked about keeping her windows up). She caught him by the neck with her electric window and then DROVE him to the police station at about ten miles an hour. Not the nearest police station (this happened in Ackworth), but the one she knew where was in Kenessaw!
It's one of those stories that NEVER gets old.
John
I don't recommend doing such, but it seemed a good idea at the time.
My little sister actually did this in Atlanta a few years back. Guy leaned in through the passenger window and tried to grab her purse at a light (yes, we've talked about keeping her windows up). She caught him by the neck with her electric window and then DROVE him to the police station at about ten miles an hour. Not the nearest police station (this happened in Ackworth), but the one she knew where was in Kenessaw!
It's one of those stories that NEVER gets old.
John
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