practice with 22lr

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Lazarus09

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my primary practice tool is a ruger 10/22
lots of people try to bash 22 rimfire but it is way cheaper than even reloading.
now it might not be a 100% duplicate to using the real deal it definately helps and is a lot of fun.

now my question is about trigger pull.
for pistols i practice mostly with a taurus model 94, the trigger pull is horrid, extremely heavy and feels lighter toward the end, but after a couple hundred rounds i could control it very well and got used to the heavy trigger.
then i pick up my s&w model 66 and OH is it nice!!! so smooth and easy to shoot my hits went up about 40%

would this same thing translate into rifle? my 10/22 has the standard not so great but not as bad as people say trigger. it is noticeably harder to shoot because the trigger, but if you were to learn to control it would it improve more or less than if you were to put a great trigger on it?
 
Probably, and also, you must not have read much here because nobody here disses a 22lr. In fact, that is always the first reccomendation for new shooters.
 
lots of people try to bash 22 rimfire

:) I live with it every day!

You can install a new trigger which will be lighter and adjustable. It will likely improve your shooting. Go over to RimfireCentral and there is a whole section dedicated to 10/22's. They can tell you whatever you might want to know and then some. Yes, you can learn to control the 10/22 trigger and still shoot just fine.

I was pretty impressed with the new Model 66 overall for a J-frame 22 revolver. I'd like to pick one up eventually.
 
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i dont generally hear people talk about 22lr much but all the big macho type guys dislike them.

and 22-rimfire, i'm not sure what your talking about,does s&w have a new gun with the mod 66 number?
the one i have is a k-frame .357, the stainless equivalent to the popular mod 19
 
oops, S&W Model 63.

I don't care much for the macho types who might put down shooting any caliber. I'm not a fan of the 9mm, but I would not put someone down for liking the calber.
 
ah i guess i wont put down the money to get a great trigger.
i figure i can deal with it like i have most the other guns i have (mil surps).
heck the best trigger i have on a rifle is my k31, which is actually really good....but besides that i have pretty much dealt with it.
 
Laz, how do you do shooting your stock 10/22 on targets? I use mine mostly for plinking (hence the trigger does not bother me) and have other 22 rifles for more serious pursuits.
 
i usually get about 1.5 inches at 25 yards offhand for three rounds. more than five though and groups open up to about 2.5, even on a bench at fifty yards they open up to 2 inches (when i had a scope on it)

i have a set of tech sights on it.
 
i dont generally hear people talk about 22lr much but all the big macho type guys dislike them.

and 22-rimfire, i'm not sure what your talking about,does s&w have a new gun with the mod 66 number?
the one i have is a k-frame .357, the stainless equivalent to the popular mod 19
Well - you won't hear many people bashing the 22LR here. And those big bad macho types that you hear in your crowd - most probably haven't even held a real gun let alone fired one - half life commandoes most likely.

You can learn almost everything you need to know about firing a gun with a 22 be it a revolver, semi-auto or rifle.

Oh you'll be missing the weight and recoil but that's just a part of the whole shooting and putting lead on target problem. You get used to the weight and recoil of each individual gun you shoot but you won't need to relearn all the good stuff you learned on the 22 with every new gun.

Ignore those guys that are dissin' 22's - they don't have a clue.
 
A good trigger pull would surprise you as to increasing accuracy.I am in the same boat you are,my 10-22 stock carbine has a darned heavy trigger pull.
I have read that if you can only afford to do 1 thing to your carbine,it is to replace the stock hammer...instant better trigger.I'm sure the guys at rimfire central can tell ya which one to get.

I am very sure my groups would improve with a more decent trigger.
 
I'm sure it would help me get better groups but I'm trying to focus on an easy way to train. as i said before the super heavy trigger on the taurus made shooting the smith a snap so i'm looking at the same picture.

on the other hand i will probably be shooting the ruger most of the time so....might as well go all out? i dont know, i would understand getting a wonderful trigger on a more tricked out gun, so maybe i need to get another one.

off topic but does anyone know of any way i could purchase a 10/22 international stock ( just the stock not the gun) and can the stock fit onto a standard rifle?
 
Built like a gorilla, former power lifter and Navy boxer

I think I qualified as a big macho guy and my favorite firearm is my single shot bolt action savage 22 rifle I bought in 1964 at Coast to Coast for $28. The only people I ever hear talking down about the 22 are non shooters who couldn't hit a bull at 50 yards if their life depended on it. I don't mean bullseye either. By adding an after market trigger to my 10/22 I reduced my groups from nearly 2" with occasional flyer's out twice that to consistent 1/2" 10 shot groups. It really makes a difference and is worth it, even for a plinker.
 
A better trigger group will help you. If nothing else it speeds up your shooting as the "squeeze time" is reduced and it breaks clean when trying to shoot carefully.

As you might guess, 22's are my favorite. I just love to shoot them. I still like other stuff, but I keep coming back to the 22LR especially now with the price of ammo increasing.
 
Whenever I hear .22 bashing and its not often the first thing that comes to mind is...
Know it all and an @sshat. I wish there was a better word to describe it but I can't find one.
Perfect for building up skills.
Not too bad for home defence provided the platform is dependable, repeatable with the largest magazine the law allows while using stingers. Holds especially true for those who don't have the funds for better home defence.
Accurate and self cleaning.

Besides my 720 FPS boolits tell me that they will travel a half a mile.:neener:
 
Lazarus09

I don't know about the Taurus 94, but for the Ruger 10/22 all you would need is a hammer (Volquartsen or Power Custom). They are around $30. Go to Rimfirecentral and they will help you out with tips and tricks.

I was shooting my MKII and boy does it need a competition sear. Once you get spoiled with great triggers, even a 4lb trigger feels heavy.
 
the thing is though is that with the taurus's crummy trigger after i get used to it i can shoot really good with the mod 66.

so the main question was that would that same thing apply to rifles, getting used to a heavy trigger would make even a 7 lb trigger feel pretty nice.

i appreciate the responses!!
 
As you might guess, 22's are my favorite. I just love to shoot them. I still like other stuff, but I keep coming back to the 22LR especially now with the price of ammo increasing.

+1 on that. They're so much fun, cheap to run and you don't have to clean them too much, well I don't.

Fred.
 
I dont think going from heavy to light is the answer. I think you should get trigger jobs on the bad ones and stay consistent between all of them. I like my Ruger 77/22 but I made the swap out and now it has become my #1 always grab.
 
Laz, you don't need to put a whole lot into getting a much-improved trigger pull on your Taurus M94. If you're middlin' handy, it's a simple DIY, although you might have to do a bit of experimenting to find the optimum combination for 100% reliability in ignition and positive trigger return along with the maximum reduction in pull weights.

Brownell's has a spring kit for the small frame Taurus' including the 94. It comes with a reduced power mainspring and two reduced power trigger return/rebound springs. Price is less than $15 with S&H, IIRC.

FWIW, I got the best combo on mine with the factory mainspring and the heavier of the two rebound units at first. After several hundred more rds went through it, I was able to switch to the lighter rebound spring and get a bit more reduction while keeping 100% positive trigger return.

It helps to do a really thorough clean-out while you're in there and relube all of the pivot/contact points with a good specialty product to reduce internal friction and improve the all-around smoothness of the action. I really like the Metal-2-Metal Moly Paste from Beeman's for revolvers. It's super slick, stays put very nicely and a little goes a long, long way.

In the current Taurus design it's a lot easier to swap rebound springs than it is in a S&W. The spring runs on a pivoted rod arrangement rather than in a tunnel in a sliding block, so there's no special tool to buy and you don't need three hands to keep from losing control of the job.

It made a world of difference on mine, especially in the "feel" and consistancy of the DA pull. Well worth the little bit of money and time, IMO.
 
Swapping out the hammer with a PC or Volquartsen hammer will make your 10/22 trigger better and reduce the pull to about 3# or a little less. You can do it yourself with no trouble. As posted above, go to rimfirecentral.com and poke around. There is lots of information there about what to do and how to do it. One of the members by the name of SwampF0X sells a kit with PC hammer, extra power hammer spring and shims, a bolt buffer, an auto bolt release, and an extended mag release for a very reasonable price that are all very easy do-it-yourself mods.
 
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